Something weird is going on here.....

[vthobby]

Just found these 2 1948 Bowman Basketball cards that look pretty similar. Take a close look at the serial number on the TPG flip!

The one on the left was sold on Ebay earlier this year. The one on the right ends in a few days on Ebay.

What are your thoughts?

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[HOF Auto Rookies]

Nice bump


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[vthobby]

I was thinking almost along the same lines.....

Mike

[Jobu]

Two questions:

1) If PSA bumps your card do they keep the same cert #?

2) I am not convinced that these are the same two cards. There appear to be several small differences between the two cards (e.g., a small white line in the lower right of the background on the 9 that missing in the 8). Could just be scan differences that I see...

[vthobby]

I also noticed some slight differences but how can the cert # be the same?

Mike

[Jobu]

I know nothing about early basketball cards. Is either of these worth a significant amount of $$? There are some pretty convincing fakes out there.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

I will never buy a vintage 9 ever again (I admit I ALWAYS buy the card and not the flip, so if I believe it's nice I'll buy it regardless of grade). I'm going to buy 7's for 1/10th of the price of a 9. Gunna send it for an upgrade to 8's for 1/4th of the price of a 9 (but I'll dabble to upgrade 8's to 9's), and then send it in for a bump to a 9 (once it's an 8 or already an 8) to resell and start the process all over again for monstrous profits.


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[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

I will never buy a vintage 9 ever again (I admit I ALWAYS buy the card and not the flip, so if I believe it's nice I'll buy it regardless of grade). I'm going to buy 7's for 1/10th of the price of a 9. Gunna send it for an upgrade to 8's for 1/4th of the price of a 9 (but I'll dabble to upgrade 8's to 9's), and then send it in for a bump to a 9 (once it's an 8 or already an 8) to resell and start the process all over again for monstrous profits.


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I've never tried but I know there are people who do this. It would have to work often enough to make up for grading and shipping fees when it doesn't. And if you're cracking and resubmitting there's the risk the card actually gets downgraded. Seems risky unless you're at a show where they will give an opinion instantly and avoid shipping fees.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I've never tried but I know there are people who do this. It would have to work often enough to make up for grading and shipping fees when it doesn't. And if you're cracking and resubmitting there's the risk the card actually gets downgraded. Seems risky unless you're at a show where they will give an opinion instantly and avoid shipping fees.

Lol, right!? I'll try it on some commons and send them in with groups if I end up trying that.


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[bobbyw8469]

Wasn't getting at anything. Just making a point. If it was indeed a case of a new submitter getting a one grade bump, I would be more than pissed if I was the original submitter. Like a previous poster stated, what if it was a Mantle rookie and the difference in grade was a huge chunk of change? Should the original submitter have not gotten the benefit of the correct grade? He paid for a service after all.....

[glynparson]

I sold a ryan rookie in 8 that got bumped to a 9 and i sold a bench rookie 9 that got bumped to a 10. Bought by two different individuals. Did i get mad? A little at first but those are the breaks. Like i said earlier i have done it many times just not on two cards like those, unfortunately.

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Wasn't getting at anything. Just making a point. If it was indeed a case of a new submitter getting a one grade bump, I would be more than pissed if I was the original submitter. Like a previous poster stated, what if it was a Mantle rookie and the difference in grade was a huge chunk of change? Should the original submitter have not gotten the benefit of the correct grade? He paid for a service after all.....

Yeah, that's the unfortunate thing with grading. Catching someone on a good/bad day can either mean you make out well or get a raw deal.

My guess is that it all balances out or comes close to it. Think about the original submitters that get a better-than-expected grade. Everyone has these sorts of stories, but I used to have a PSA 3 Moe Berg 1933 Goudey that I showed here on the board a year or so ago. That thing looked much closer to a 1.5 or a 2. Whoever initially got that grade (wasn't me) made out handsomely. Not even close, obviously, to Mantle Rookie handsomely, but you get my point.

I guess the moral of the story is that it's generally better to hang on to cards that look undergraded.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Wasn't getting at anything. Just making a point. If it was indeed a case of a new submitter getting a one grade bump, I would be more than pissed if I was the original submitter. Like a previous poster stated, what if it was a Mantle rookie and the difference in grade was a huge chunk of change? Should the original submitter have not gotten the benefit of the correct grade? He paid for a service after all.....

What if? Imperfect world, deal with it. Original submitter should have persisted if he felt that big a card was undergraded.