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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: JimCrandell
I am not setting the world on fire with my upgrade percentage at PSA. In my most recent 300-card submission returned today I got just 14 upgrades. Don't know whether any were upgraded to 9 or if they are all 8.5s. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: jay wolt
Jim, just a headsup, the Philly Show is not next week |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: JimCrandell
jay, |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: leon
Hey Jim |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Jantz
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: JimCrandell
Leon--you know the answer to that |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- it's been said a hundred times before, but allow me to be the 101st: |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: marshall barkman
Generally speaking Jim what i have noticed is that PSA has been bumping between 5 to 10 percent on re-subs. I sent in 48 cards and 4 got bumped. The thing that is most noticeable though is that the cards that get bumped are never the rare cards on the pop report or hall of famers. I hope your situation is different. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Dave F
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: ebrehm
I don't see the problem. The cards now getting half-grade bumps from PSA weren't necessarily "undergraded" in the first place, because the half grades weren't even available when they were originally graded. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: leon
It makes sense, just not common sense. The whole idea is to make money. There is nothing wrong with that but lets call it what it is. And yes, this horse has been beaten (I was just giving a friendly jab, as Jim knew.) But every time I see this farce called "reviewing for higher grades" it just doesn't sit right. I have NOTHING against grading in general....or collectors who collect high grade. I consider all collectors friends and compadre's. I don't even blame PSA for doing it. Another great marketing idea. Kudo's to Joe for that. ....take care |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: barrysloate
I agree with Leon wholeheartedly. What this is is a gift to their best customers. I would rather they gave out 10% discounts or PSA tote bags for gifts, but they have chosen to give out risk free bumps instead. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Scott Fandango
you said "Mathematical probability suggests that in a fairly large sampling of 300 cards, if 14 of them were undergraded, then it is likely that 14 others were overgraded. Nothing personal, but I don't like this" |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Dave F
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: rand
Why did PSA resist on the 1/2 grade system for so long? all their competitors used them from the get go. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: marshall barkman
In my opinion there is way to much latitude when it comes to grading. If you talk to anyone that understands grading they will immediatly throw out the old human error mistake. Let's say a card looks overgraded then most dealers will say well it probably came from someone originally who submits alot of cards so PSA threw them in a bone, if the same card is undergraded then the excuse is well the grader had a off day or it must have been submitted by a nobody. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: barrysloate
Scott- this is my point: |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: marshall barkman
Rand.....you are 100% correct. I measure each card and also loop it to figure out if the card merits consideration for a bump. Sometimes a 8 can have perfect centering and razor corners and have a look to it that screams 9 but after carefully looping the card you notice a small chip in the back border that is hard to catch with the way the light hits the holder. If Jim is just sending in 20,000 cards blindly without reviewing them then that is ridiculous. It does not suprise me however because he wrote on the message board on a different post that he was interested in some of my Beauties in PSA 8 holders and possibly ending a few cards i was auctioning off on E-bay if i gave him a "good deal", not only did he not respond to two e-mails but he also has not won any of the cards that i have listed on E-bay. My thought is the guy is to cool for school and wants favorable treatment across the board. I have however sold 4 PSA 8's for over 300 dollars a piece to PSA set registry folks offline for fair market value who have e-mailed in regards to the same cards. If you want favors then tip the bellhop or cab driver. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: jay wolt
Barry - so if a customer sends in cards for review since he thinks |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: barrysloate
Jay- that's exactly my point. It's good marketing for PSA, and it gives high volume submitters such as Jim some bonus points at no risk. But it's not an objective evaluation. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: jay wolt
Barry I suppose your stock broker may offer you nothing. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: barrysloate
I'm actually okay with the half point bumps, assuming it's even possible to distinguish a 7 from a 7.5 or an 8 with even a modicum of consistency. But we always have threads about overgraded cards, and if the system is fair then those errors need to be corrected too. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: David Atkatz
<<If Jim just submitted 100 of the cards that didn't garner a bump then he would be at 0%>> |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: rand
i agree 100% with marshall about agreeing with me 100% |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Steve
" What this is is a gift to their best customers." |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: sagard
"3 years ago i had concerns SGC was undergrading my cards" |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: barrysloate
Steve- the gift is the no risk bump. True, anyone can send in. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Jason
Well in Jim's case I'm sure he has a good idea and probably doesn't have too many soft 8's in his collection anyways. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: MikePugeda
Steve and Barry, |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Steve
Anyone can get a discount. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: MikePugeda
Steve, |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Steve
All policies are slightly flawed. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: JimB
"If I have a card that I feel would bump say from an 8 to a 9 |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: rand
i made a statement about psa sifting through jim's 300 cards like they did the first time around. does anybody really think jim's cards are getting undivided attention to really find the better cards? |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: scott fandango
you said "3 years ago i had concerns SGC was undergrading my cards, after a great chat with Sean he allowed me to send cards in for review free of charge. I really appreciated this, so i was very careful to only send back cards i thought were legit, i didnt want to waste anybody's time. i was fortunate to get 50% back as higher grades, they also circled the problem areas on the ones that didnt make the cut... i learned what to look for. it was a great experience" |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: macboube
Ouch. I would be a little upset at 14/300. Assuming some time was spent evaluating the sub.'s b4 sending in for review, anything less than 10% is bad IMO. Again, I am working at a much, much higher rate of bumps than this with my '55 AA's. Likely the "pack freshness" provenance has a lot to do with it. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Steve
You can price it however you want, but my guess is you will have a hard time finding someone willing to pay a 9 price for a card in an 8 holder. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: rand
i should have made myself much clearer... i sent in 10 cards for regrade. 5 got bumped either 1/2 or 1 point. it was a courtesy on his behalf to review them. i really went through my 33 goudeys carefully, most of the cards were sgc 40 - 60's, that were reviewed and regraded. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: JimCrandell
I thought my 8s were 8.00 to 8.99???? Why should any go down if they were all 8.00 to 8.99 to begin with. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: JimCrandell
My Jordan RC went to a 9 from 8 and the others went to 8.5. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: JimCrandell
Results looking better and better as I look at the registry. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Steve
I thought my 8s were 8.00 to 8.99???? Why should any go down if they were all 8.00 to 8.99 to begin with. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: JimCrandell
Steve, |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: barrysloate
But Jim- if they upgrade a card that too is an admission of a mistake, don't you think? |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Hey Jim -- anyone who thinks it's fair that half the people in this country don't have to pay taxes should not have much of a problem with PSA's resubmission policy, right? |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- I'm happy for you, but the system is flawed. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: Rob D.
Wipe that smile off your comment, Lichtman. |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: B.C.Daniels
when do we start to see the pedigree of your name on the labels? |
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My Most Recent 300-Card Submission--14 Upgrades
Posted By: JimCrandell
Good point Jeff. I think if Barry had his way 100% of the increase in value would be taxed away. That would be fair. |
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