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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: Tom L.
Let's face it, when you send a vintage card to SGC, the grader is Derek Grady 100% of the time. |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)
I once advocated on the old CU board, say 2 years ago, that each slabbed card should identify the grader, at least by a number, and should identify the date of the grade(at least by month). No response, even though Joe Orlando was, at least at that time, a frequent contributor. I believe collectors would find this information useful, and would more confidently rely on it when making decisions. Maybe some day. |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: Bill Cornell
I already chimed in on Grade Tech and wished I hadn't, but... do Derek Grady and Mike Baker ever go on vacation? And do they ever do it in the same week? |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: David Vargha
I don't see where GAI is making any great coup on the grading of "vintage cards". Whether you take the stance that "vintage" is pre-1973, pre-WWII, or whatever, Global is swamped by the market presence of PSA. The vast majority of grade vintage cards are in PSA holders and SGC has quite a niche, especially in certain pre-war issues that PSA dragged their feet on grading. The PSA Set Registry has strengthened their hold in the marketplace and crossovers tend to go to PSA for the most part. I don't really see either PSA or SGC losing significant crossover traffic to GAI. |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: Scott M
Two qualified graders in the industry???? This is exactly why you should grade cards for yourself. If each company only has one good grader, then there is a certain percentage of their cards that get graded by others - which means variation in the process - and a lower quality product being produced by the grading company. |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: petecld
With all due respect to Derek and Mike - I highly doubt they are the only two people capable of grading cards in this hobby. They are the 2 currently working professionals known for their grading ability but that isn't to say others don't have the same talent. |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: Tom Lawrie
1. As for number of qualified graders, there are certainly a number of potential people out there who could be expert graders. But instead most potentially qualified people either buy and sell for big auction names (or are the big auction names), or are major dealers, or are rabid collectors (most just figuratively rabid). Additionally, assuming low turnover in the number 2 and 3 graders at these companies, there are bound to be others who become solid at grading vintage cards over time. But just about everyone who works at Mastro (e.g. Kevin Struss etc.) or at the other large vintage businesses such as SportsCards Plus, could step into one of these grading companies and immediately be a top vintage grader. The point is that whoever grades vintage cards needs to have a number of years of experience scrutinizing them (for consignment, resale, collecting, whatever). Most card dealers don't have that experience as most haven't been exposed to the vintage market. And I would guess that many vintage collectors haven't been exposed to enough counterfeits and alterations to really be good at it right away, with the exception of some truly experienced collectors like Pete Calderon, Bob Marquette, John Wojak, Dan McKee, etc. |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: Iamlowc
PSA has made their reputation, it is evident on Ebay. Dollar for dollar, card for card PSA cards sell for more than there counterparts more often than not. That is the industry talking. |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: John(z28jd)
With so many companies grading and the obvious fact that they arent making any more vintage cards(and with cards lost to attrition and so many really low grade cards that theres no reason to grade) and people like me who dont get cards graded does anyone think that soon the vintage grading market is going to dry up? |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: Tom L.
First, PSA may bring stronger prices for now overall, but give it time. I'm not saying the graders are the only influence on a company's bottom line, but you have to be realistic. Of the vast majority of PSA cards on the market, most were graded while Mike Baker was at the PSA. I don't know how many vintage graders PSA had or has, but he certainly ran the show for quite a while and dealers and auction houses trusted him to ensure some pretty good quality control. PSA was/is probably too big to have only a single vintage grader (which may account for some of the important gaffs that we saw, like the counterfeit Ruth rookie getting slabbed), but he has a great hobby reputation. And he's at Global now. Do you think it is just coincidence that some of the large, major vintage dealers have switched in part or completely to Global? |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: David
I understand that identification and authentication is a specialty and intertwined with grading (which may be the crux of the posts), but what's so hard about grading itself? If grading has become so techincal and difficult that only two people in world can do it, heaven help us. |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: David
I also wonder if the occasional authentication problems have happened when the experts are away. Perhaps out of pure chance, whats-his-name was late coming back for lunch when the PSA newbie was given a stack of blue Fro Joys. |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: Tom L.
I think that authentication and grading are intertwined, as the grader has to answer: |
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Reputation of the Individual Grader is the Key !!!! [GRADY and BAKER]
Posted By: David
Tom, your post sounds reasonable to me. It seems that there is an inherent degree of inaccuracy in grading, in part because grading is partially subjective (as it should be). This would suggest that one of the major problems with the graded card hobby is not the graders themselves, but the unrealistic expectations and manipulations of many collectors and sellers, including the '10 hunters' and 'resubmitters.' |
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