Gone with the stain

[lowpopper]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

Sorry.

It is true I am new and just saw this Towle guy and his website. I guess I just did not know you all were resigned to the existance of this sort of person. Sorry did not know there were threads from the past did not even know you could search for old threads.

Fine jump on the new guy at least my heart is in the right place! CRIMINALS operating before our faces and we buy the product back like Tyler Durden said!

Why is the Moser guy bad but Towle is not ?

Towle does not catch as much flak
due to the level of transparency. He
announces what he does to the world.

simple as that

[Republicaninmass]

For a minute...

I thought with the title with was BigBeerGut's farewell.


Guess we can only hold out hope!

[BigBeerGut]

Stop running your mouth Republican!
Several people have told me your a real tool

[egri]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

For a minute...

I thought with the title with was BigBeerGut's farewell.


Guess we can only hold out hope!

And here I thought it was a baseball card-themed Gone with the Wind parody. Maybe someone more clever than me can come up with that one.

[barrysloate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf9ccNlOTn8

How about the song, and not the movie.

[drcy]

I know that GWTS's chemical treatments to remove signatures from baseballs is easy to identify under blacklight. And, in fact, on their website they themselves detail this.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by drcy

I know that GWTS's chemical treatments to remove signatures from baseballs is easy to identify under blacklight. And, in fact, on their website they themselves detail this.

According to Dick, a black light does not detect his signature removal.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...1&postcount=50

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

According to Dick, a black light does not detect his signature removal.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...1&postcount=50

I actually just read through that whole thread. Take the dates off and I may have thought it was current. Complaints about altered cards, talks of an FBI investigation shaking up the hobby, one guy complaining about the mob mentality around here, a few incoherent posts, quite interesting. Not much has changed in the last 10 years.

Not quite sure what to make of Towle's claim that he consulted PSA and SGC and tested his work. I don't doubt this happened as he said it did but figured these guys just submitted cards hoping to get them through. I wouldn't expect a card doctor to say hey I cleaned these up and removed some creases. Let me know if you see any signs of the alterations. I wonder if they graded them afterwards.

[Leon]

According to a good friend of mine who used Towle's services, and knows how to spot fakes and alterations better than anyone I know (and I know a few people), he couldn't discern what Towle had done (or used) to get stains off. No detection possible he said. He had it done for card(s) in his own collection. I would bet many people use Towle's services for fraudulent purposes. I too would like to see his customer list.
And he wasn't too happy about not being allowed on our forum either. But what he does, imo, is contrary to good hobby practices. I don't dislike the gentleman whatsoever, never met him, but this just isn't the right place for him.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

According to Dick, a black light does not detect his signature removal.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...1&postcount=50

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by lowpopper

Towle does not catch as much flak
due to the level of transparency. He
announces what he does to the world.

simple as that

Many people using his services do so ultimately to deceive. That he discloses in general terms what he does is a so what to me. His business is still based largely on helping people improve the appearance of cards in order to sell them deceptively.

I have no objection to soaking cards out of albums, and probably other minor stuff he does.

[bobbyw8469]

Why is the Moser guy bad but Towle is not ?

IMHO, I think it is because Towle removes things that shouldn't have been on the card in the first place. Think scrapbook removal....removing wax stains....pen and pencil marks. Things that 95% of the Net54 members do anyway and don't see a problem with.

Why Moser is worse than Towle, is because he is trimming cards and adding colors. Where Towle is just removing things that shouldn't have been on the card in the first place, Moser is deceiving people in a major way. Trimming to sharpen corners is a definite no-no. Same goes for adding colors to cards.

[Shoeless Moe]

I've sent them like 6 pairs of my boxer shorts.

All have come back like new.

I couldn't be happier with his service.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Think scrapbook removal....removing wax stains....pen and pencil marks. Things that 95% of the Net54 members do anyway and don't see a problem with.

I disagree with your premise. If he catalogued the work he did and didn't gloat that it's getting past grading companies, maybe. But his alterations are done for the most part to deceive.