Interesting T-206 Hindu Ad

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Thought this may be of interest to some on the board. I can't recall having seen this ad before although other versions have been posted in the past. Also, as discussed before, note the 2 per pack.

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Posted By: Jason Carota

Nice piece, Jon. Thanks for posting it. I find it interesting that the player and team names are on the top of the card.

edit: sp

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Thanks for posting that.

I'd like to see other advertisements for the cigarette companies associated with the white border cards.

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

I know these have been posted before but here are some additional ads for T-206's...

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Posted By: jay wolt

Great looking ads
I noticed that the Hindu & Old Mill all show multiple cards
offered within each pack of smokes. Was always under the impression
that each pack had one card leke Piedmont & Sweet Caporal.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Here is an original EPDG adv. from a 1908 periodical. But, no T206 cards depicted in it.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Jon,
Nice thread.... I've been building a spreadsheet of all of the known ads that show the actual cards in them. I will post the spreadsheet and some pictures this afternoon. Be well Brian



PS Here are a few pictures:









I'll post the spreadsheet later...

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Posted By: T206Collector

...from the New Orleans paper in 1909. I don't have scans at the moment, but could post them if they differ from the known ads.

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Posted By: Bryan Long

for those that may not or are wondering. The ads have the names at the top of the cards because the bottom of the card in most ads are cut off due to the design. When the bottom of the card shows then they put the names where they are suppose to be. Again, most of you probably assumed this, but I just thought I would throw it in there in case someone wanted to ask the question, but didn't.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Here's my spreadsheet....

BrandPaperDatePlayersNotes
PiedmontSporting life6/19/190910 drawings from 150 series
Sweet CapNo Wagner
SovereignAds continued on a weekly basis till September









HinduTimes/Pic8/4/1909Waddell/Dooin in pack2 Distinguished players in each box
ST. L/Phil

HinduTimes/Pic8/6/1909Waddell/Dooin in pack2 Distinguished players in each box
ST. L/Phil

HinduTimes/Pic8/11/1909Waddell/Dooin in pack2 Distinguished players in each box
Nichols/Knees trunkname first appears at bottom!!



HinduTimes/Pic8/13/1909Elberfeld/NYWaddell/DooinAd says nothing about which cards will be in packs.
Evers/Por/Cubsappear twice, as they
Fritz/SL/New Orleansare also shown in pack.
Chance/Rpor/Cubs
Nichols/Knees/Phil A7 of 15 cards are Southern Leaguers
Waddell/Throw/ST L3 of 7 Southern Leaguers are from New Orleans
Lobert/Por/Cinn2 are from nearby cities in Alabama
A.O.Jordan/SL/Atlanta1 Atlanta
Dooin/Por/Phil N1 Nashville
Breitenstein/SL/New Orleans
Reagan/SL/New Orleans2 Cubs
Donovan/Por/Det2 Phil
Thornton/SL/Mobile
Greminger/SL/Montgomery1 NY, Cinn, St. L, Det
Bernhard/SL/Nashville





HinduTimes/Pic8/18/1909Elberfeld/Dooin2 Pictures of famous ball players in each pack
NY/PHIL






HinduTimes/Pic8/23/1909Hickman/Breitenstein in packAdded addition 2 Southern League players in each pack
Mobile/New Orleansincluding Texas league

HinduTimes/Pic8/25/1909Hickman/Breitenstein in packAdded addition 2 Southern League players in each pack
Mobile/New Orleansincluding Texas league


HinduTimes/Pic9/1/1909Carey/Bernhard no pack in adAdded addition 2 Southern League players in each pack
Memphis/Nashvilleincluding Texas league


PiedmontSporting life9/14/190910 drawings from 150 series
Sweet CapOverall/Port/Cubs
SovereignPastorius/Brooklyn
Wagner/Pitt
Bransfield/Phil
Keeler/Batting/NY
Beaumont/Boston
Delehanty/Wash
Steinfeldt/Cubs
O'leary/Port/Det
Wiltse/Por/NY



OLD MillAtlanta J&Con3/10/1910Violat/Unknown card/Coupon in PackBaseball pictures and a valuable coupon inside
SL/JacksonvilleNo name at top of card

Man in car smoking with Steam ship in background
"The acme of Southern Cultivation"



OLD MILLAtlanta J&Con3/19/1910Violat/Unknown card/Coupon in PackBaseball pictures and a valuable coupon inside
SL/JacksonvilleNo name at top of card

Ad shows Men hunting in fields smoking
"A product of the Southern Field"



OLD MILLAugusta Her3/21/1910Violat/Unknown card/Coupon in PackBaseball pictures and a valuable coupon inside
SL/JacksonvilleNo name at top of card



OLD MILLAtlanta J&ConJun-10Violat/Unknown card/Coupon in PackBaseball pictures and a valuable coupon inside
SL/JacksonvilleAd has picture of men smoking and women holding Tobacco leafs
letter on the back of ad from "The acme of Southern Cultivation"
President Taft dated May 27, 1910

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Posted By: Doug Moore

Brian:
I have some additions to your Hindu and Old mill spreadsheet if you are interested. I don't think the content is any different, but I have some additional dates if you want to ad them.
Thanks
Doug

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Posted By: robert a

Brian,

Thanks for sharing that information. It's nice to have a comprehensive look at them.

Robert

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Doug,
I am always adding to the spreadsheet.... Mostly with Old Mill ads, as I believe the ran almost daily in the major papers in the south. Thanks for your help. Be well Brian


PS I would love to ad other brands to the list....

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Posted By: Doug Moore

Here are my additions to Brian's list

Hindu
New Orleans Daily Picayune 8/16/1909 Wadell and Dooin at the bottom of the elephant's trunk


Old MIll

3/8/1910 Virginian Pilot
3/30/1910 Atlanta Constitution
4/19/1910 Augusta Herald
5/6/1910 Augusta Herald

All Show Violat and another player you can't see as in all of the other old mill ads. All of the ads above are different but the cards remain the same.

To me, these ads are the Holy Grail of the T 206 collector.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Brian, Doug, thank you guys for the lists...

Truly great stuff. Thank you very much.

FW

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Thanks Doug,
I appreciate the additions to the list...
I expected to find more Old Mill's, as I do believe they were marketed heavily in the Southern papers. It's interesting that Piedmont used the same ad Layouts during this time, but I don't have any that show cards...
Anyone have any other brand ads with cards showing? LMK Be well Brian

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Posted By: Troy Kirk

Thanks to all who have shared on this thread, this is a very interesting subject. Thanks especially to Brian for the spreadsheet, that information is very interesting.

It is interesting to me to see what is offered on the ads.

2 Pictures of Famous Players

2 Pictures of Celebrated Baseball Players

Baseball Pictures and a Valuable Coupon

2 Pictures of Distinguished Baseball Players

2 Pictures of Southern League Players

I can add:

2 Pictures of Texas League Players

Here is an Old Mill ad I got from a Texas newspaper. Unfortunately I can't find the date or newspaper it was from, but I think I have the information somewhere. If I find it, I'll post later.



It is interesting to speculate that cigarette packs from certain southern areas were specially seeded with players from those areas, such as Southern League players and Texas League players. With the Old Mill packs, it makes me wonder if those cards in the packs were T206 or T210, even though the pictures in the ads seem to indicate they were T206.

As Brian mentioned, there were a lot of Old Mill ads. I have seen at least 18 different Old Mill ad designs with baseball cards showing. Here is a list of some of these:

The News - Frederick, MD - March 10, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - March 9, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - March 16, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - March 26, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - March 30, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - April 2, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - April 6, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - April 9, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - April 16, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - April 20, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - April 27, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - April 30, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - May 4, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - May 18, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - May 21, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - May 28, 1910
The Atlanta Constitution - June 1, 1910

All of the ads above show different designs though they all show the same baseball cards sticking out of the Old Mill pack. The Texas League ad I showed has the same ad design as the Atlanta Constitution ad of March 9, except the Atlanta Constitution ad says "Baseball pictures and a valuable coupon in each package" instead of "Texas League baseball pictures."

If anyone else has more of these ads, this is an interesting topic to me.

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Posted By: Dustan Hedlin

These are all pretty nice looking. For those of you who have these in your collection, where is the best place to find a few of these? I'm interested in picking up a few of them, but haven't seen any in the few places I've looked.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Dustan,
The Old Mill's show up on EBay quite a bit, so keep an eye out.

Be well Brian


PS The Hindu's only show up 2-3 times a year...

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Posted By: Dustan Hedlin

Thanks Brian. I had checked Ebay current and completed auctions and didn't find any for either, which prompted my question. I'll continue to keep an eye out for them.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Dustan.
I'll check my dupes tomorrow and see if I have any for sale. Be well Brian