T-206 Master List vs. Inaccurate PSA Master Set

[tedzan]

There was no need to tell us about PSA's inaccurate list.....it's common knowledge.

And YES, this comment of yours required a response......

" SIDE NOTE: Apparently Levi is the only guy on earth interested in making a go at it! "

Especially this excerpt......"the only guy on earth"......this is so over the top, are you serious ! ?


I'm not to far from Levi's place; and, visit with him occasionally. We have shared our T206 info over the many years.


TED Z

[JP]

Originally Posted by tedzan

There was no need to tell us about PSA's inaccurate list.....it's common knowledge.

Ah...I see you've FINALLY read what I wrote and realized that you had it completely backwards....and realized that what you were angry with me about made no sense, since we were on the same side!!!

To say that there is no need to talk about PSA's inaccurate list may be your curmudgeonly opinion, but there are others of us out there who might feel differently. I was hoping to stimulate enough conversation on this topic so that PSA would actually get off of their a$$es and FIX their inaccurate registry...that way more than just Levi would be interested in participating.

Originally Posted by tedzan

And YES, this comment of yours required a response......
" SIDE NOTE: Apparently Levi is the only guy on earth interested in making a go at it! "
Especially this excerpt......"the only guy on earth"......this is so over the top, are you serious ! ?

Well, let's see.

1. We live on planet earth.
2. PSA has only one T-206 Master Set registry
3. The list of the all-time finest registered sets is here
4. And Levi is the only person to have ever completed even 1/3rd of it

So the statement that "Levi appears to be the only person on earth making a go at the PSA master set registry" is 100% accurate. I don't care if you and 1,000 of your friends have complete raw master sets, we're talking about the PSA registry here, and I don't see their names....

I, for one, would appreciate it if PSA would take the time to read Scot Reader's research and fix the required items for the master set. I, for one, would then be more likely to try and complete it, as I'm sure others would. Owning a REAL master set in PSA graded cards would be worthless at the moment because it wouldn't fit into their required item parameters.

[ullmandds]

I wish PSA would get better at accurately grading and labeling the cards they grade...prior to honing their stupid registry...just my opinion.

[JP]

Grading will always be somewhat subjective. So there will always be those who think on both ends of the spectrum - that PSA grades well or doesn't.

Labeling errors will happen no matter what...it's the law of averages. And since they offer free corrections of mislabeling, there isn't much more that they can do than that.

As far as their "stupid" registry goes, it does have its upsides and downsides. I happen to like the keeping track via a checklist aspect. The point of this thread is to get PSA to fix their inaccurate checklist for the PSA master set, so that potential collectors like myself could attempt it. As long as it stays uncompletable and inaccurate, it is worthless.

[Mikehealer]

If the point of this thread is to get PSA to fix one of their problems, why
not just contact them. It may not do any good, but at least you will be contacting the source of the problem. Seems simple enough.

[lharri3600]

mike,
you hit the nail right in the middle!!

Originally Posted by Mikehealer

If the point of this thread is to get PSA to fix one of their problems, why
not just contact them. It may not do any good, but at least you will be contacting the source of the problem. Seems simple enough.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by JP

The point of this thread is to get PSA to fix their inaccurate checklist for the PSA master set, so that potential collectors like myself could attempt it. As long as it stays uncompletable and inaccurate, it is worthless.

As stated above contact them and take the initiative if it bothers you or is impacting your collecting.

[tedzan]

The "earth", or is it the world, does NOT live by PSA alone (nor SGC). There are more BB card collectors of vintage & post-war sportscards
than there are collectors of graded stuff. And, this will always be true in this hobby.

There are many of us who don't give a rat's-a$$-less about PSA, or their registry. I have nothing against graded cards.....to each his own.
Like many others for the past 135 years, I prefer to collect sportscards that I can touch and feel in my hands.

A bunch of us on this forum are getting fed up with your sarcastic responses. And, that is evident by your constant QUOTING of everyone.
It's indicative an argumentative mindset.....not someone who wants to have a meaningful dialogue. Review your past posts, it's a recurring
"agitation" in many of your posts.


A master set of T206's comprises of approx. 5200 permutations of the 524 fronts and the numerous backs. So far, my 2104 cards represent
40 % of these permutations.

Incidently, how many different T206's do you have ?


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Incidently, how many different T206's do you have ?
TED Z

Really?

[JP]

Originally Posted by tedzan

....that is evident by your constant QUOTING of everyone.
It's indicative an argumentative mindset.....not someone who wants to have a meaningful dialogue. Review your past posts, it's a recurring
"agitation" in many of your posts.


A master set of T206's comprises of approx. 5200 permutations of the 524 fronts and the numerous backs. So far, my 2104 cards represent
40 % of these permutations.

Incidently, how many different T206's do you have ?


TED Z

I apologize if quoting is considered a rude thing. I had no idea. I only do it to make it clear which post I'm responding to. No one has told me before that it was considered rude, and I've never heard anything along those lines in any other forum.

In regards to your question as to how many T-206s I have...do you want me just to say "less than you"? Will that make you happy? What a bully-ish thing to even ask...and you wonder why my responses to you are so harsh. You may know more than anyone about the set, but it doesn't mean you can belittle others who have less cards than you.

[tiger8mush]

I agree, JP. With the resources from this board alone, PSA could update alot of their T206 registry to account for impossible front/back combos. And if an "impossible" one did surface, then they could update their registry accordingly.

IMO, it would be good business for PSA. A smaller checklist would make a "monster" set appear more attainable, thus attracting more people to the registry and making it more competitive. More competition of course leads to more PSA slabbing, and if they undergrade then they'll get more resubmittals from people looking for higher grades.

But, maybe PSA doesn't see it that way?

Good luck with a master set, JP, if you decide to take that route! Keep us updated!

Rob

[JP]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

I agree, JP. With the resources from this board alone, PSA could update alot of their T206 registry to account for impossible front/back combos. And if an "impossible" one did surface, then they could update their registry accordingly.

IMO, it would be good business for PSA. A smaller checklist would make a "monster" set appear more attainable, thus attracting more people to the registry and making it more competitive. More competition of course leads to more PSA slabbing, and if they undergrade then they'll get more resubmittals from people looking for higher grades.

But, maybe PSA doesn't see it that way?

Good luck with a master set, JP, if you decide to take that route! Keep us updated!

Rob

Wow! Thanks Rob! Sounds like you actually did read what I wrote and get it!!!! You may be the first!!!

I believe it would take minimal effort on PSA's part to fix the master registry and yield huge results both participation-wise and financially.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by JP

I believe it would take minimal effort on PSA's part to fix the master registry and yield huge results both participation-wise and financially.

And, what was their response when you asked them to do this? (You did ask them, first, before complaining about it, correct?)

[Potomac Yank]

He's a Newbie, desperately looking for expert status.

He hasn't discovered the Doyle yet.

JP is a flipper!

Like Rob D. said ... JP will flip by 1 April, before he receives the card.

[JP]

Moderators, can you please keep Jim VB, Potomac Yank, and Rob D. (if he shows up here) from hijacking yet another one of my threads?

[Leon]

Joe- I would venture to guess that over half of us on the board flip (or buy and sell some cards). Nothing wrong with it. Heck, I am working on flipping cards I don't even have yet (though I DID already win them) .....

It seems as though every time JP makes a statement he gets bombarded. Lets see if we can't play with each other a bit nicer, huh? We are all collectors (well almost all of us) so lets act like it. If I continue to see unwarranted jabs and attacks I am not going to sit idly by. No one should fear posting because they think they will be ridiculed. I think that number probably grows each day and I am getting fed up with it, quite honestly. Of course it's ok to expose fraud and bad sellers and such, but all of the negativity about everything just has to cease. I may be the only one left on the board but it's going to change, and soon. Thanks for listening.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by JP

So the statement that "Levi appears to be the only person on earth making a go at the PSA master set registry" is 100% accurate. I don't care if you and 1,000 of your friends have complete raw master sets, we're talking about the PSA registry here, and I don't see their names.....

JP, that is a bit over the top there are lots of non-graded collections of T206's out there. Ted is just trying to explain that one can't go off these sites as to what has been done in the collecting hobby.

Keep in mind PSA and SGC are pretty new to the hobby still, card collectors have been around long before grading companies.

As for pop-reports and lists from grading companies most all are way off, if you want to fix them email the company direct.

Just my 2 cents.

[JP]

Originally Posted by JP

So the statement that "Levi appears to be the only person on earth making a go at the PSA master set registry" is 100% accurate. I don't care if you and 1,000 of your friends have complete raw master sets, we're talking about the PSA registry here, and I don't see their names....

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

JP, that is a bit over the top there are lots of non-graded collections of T206's out there. Ted is just trying to explain that one can't go off these sites as to what has been done in the collecting hobby.

Wow, you just responded to my quote that stated this WASN'T about non-registered raw sets to tell me there are raw sets out there. Like Ted, you're not reading what I'm writing. This is about the PSA registry ONLY!

Actually, my statement about Levi it is not at all over the top. It isn't even a slight exaggeration, it is 100% accurate. Like Ted, you are COMPLETELY missing the point. (Although, I'm pretty sure Ted just wanted another chance to list all of his T-206s instead of actually reading my post.) My statement was in regards to the PSA registry, NOT card collecting as a whole. THIS IS ONLY REGARDS TO THE REGISTRY, GET IT NOW? It doesn't matter if a thousand people have completed the master set, I'm talking about the registry. Don't know too many other ways I can say it. REGISTRY, REGISTRY, REGISTRY!

You look at the basic T-206 set registry here and you've got 100s of people, past and present, trying to complete this set and compete with eachother. And then you have the master set registry here and only one guy ever has completed more than a third of it.

My point is that if PSA had an accurately compiled master set registry available, that would likely stimulate competition and actually get people to attempt to complete it. And the solution to "just call PSA" is a worthless suggestion. You think I'm the first person to notice their jumbled mess of a master registry and call them? I think it will take a GROUP effort to get them to actually change!

[ullmandds]

If I were you, JP, I'd take it to PSA's message board...they may care there.

[JP]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

If I were you, JP, I'd take it to PSA's message board...they may care there.

That's the beauty of this forum and this thread. If you care about the issue, you can contribute. If you don't care about the issue (which it appears you don't) then you can go and find a thread elsewhere that you DO care about, and post there.

There are far more T-206 collectors here at Net54 than in the Collector's Universe Forums for PSA...so I believe this thread is in the right place for now. Plus PSA can't modify this thread to fit their agenda.....

[wonkaticket]

"And the solution to "just call PSA" is a worthless suggestion."

I'm sorry if you felt my suggestion of contacting PSA was worthless...

Also I thought Pete's idea of their (PSA) forum wasn't that bad of an idea...you seem to rag Ted for talking down to you..but seems you dont mind doing the very same to others.

Best of luck with your collecting.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

If I were you, JP, I'd take it to PSA's message board...they may care there.

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