Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Roger Clemens don’t have the integrity, sportsmanship or

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Seven

I'm not sure if Ortiz was confirmed to be in the Mitchell Report, then again, the man who made the report was a minority owner in the Red Sox, who knows if he had any sort of agenda.

It's sort of disheartening that we have to have these debates. We all fully know the owners could care less about their players juicing. Whatever put more asses in the seats, and lined their pockets with money, was fine by them.

According to a interview I watched of Pedro when he was trying to sell his book the whole team was on PEDs. He told a story of how Manny mixed up cocktails of PEDs he got in the DR before a playoff game. He said everyone but one person(can't remember who) lined up to do them and they teased the one guy who didn't till he finally gave in and done the PEDs also.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

According to a interview I watched of Pedro when he was trying to sell his book the whole team was on PEDs. He told a story of how Manny mixed up cocktails of PEDs he got in the DR before a playoff game. He said everyone but one person(can't remember who) lined up to do them and they teased the one guy who didn't till he finally gave in and done the PEDs also.

But nobody before 1980 did anything to enhance performance, just ask the nostalgia crowd. Everyone up to that point was pure and natural and moral as hell too. Those were the days.

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

But nobody before 1980 did anything to enhance performance, just ask the nostalgia crowd. Everyone up to that point was pure and natural and moral as hell too. Those were the days.

See post #58 in this thread.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

See post #58 in this thread.

Yes I saw that. My cynical view, every generation has had a lot of guys who would do whatever is available to them, it's just the nature of sports. I don't think human character suddenly deteriorated in the 1980s, such that we should be worshipping the players of the past uncritically as clean heroes and vilifying anyone who ever took HGH.

From the LA Times about a player we all idolize: For two seasons he had been able to pitch only with cortisone shots, codeine pills and other drugs that made him high between games.

Then there is this. Did Mickey Mantle use amphetamines?
In 1961 Mickey Mantle was believed to have injected himself with a chemical cocktail that included steroids and amphetamines in an effort to keep up with Roger Maris during their famous home run competition.

Oh wait it's unproven. Well, how did the government's case against William Roger Clemens trying to prove HE used (and therefore perjured himself) go?