Lajoie Rookie?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

I prefer this one of Lajoie from 1897:

Love it! Nice graphic of Lajoie.

Anyway, I get the hobby consensus that it must be made of cardboard to be a rookie but I feel paper is just as acceptable. Cardboard is nothing more than layers of paper.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Love it! Nice graphic of Lajoie.

Anyway, I get the hobby consensus that it must be made of cardboard to be a rookie but I feel paper is just as acceptable. Cardboard is nothing more than layers of paper.

I tend to agree with you in theory, but I don’t think the “hobby” does. There is a copper plate Wagner on eBay for like $50k. It’s been there for a long long time. It’s much earlier than the W600 type 1 wagner and e107 wagner and approximately as scarce. Yet the one on eBay sits and sits on eBay for $50k, and the other two, cardboard pieces sell for far in excess of $200k.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I tend to agree with you in theory, but I don’t think the “hobby” does. There is a copper plate Wagner on eBay for like $50k. It’s been there for a long long time. It’s much earlier than the W600 type 1 wagner and e107 wagner and approximately as scarce. Yet the one on eBay sits and sits on eBay for $50k, and the other two, cardboard pieces sell for far in excess of $200k.

Exactly! Which is why I wrote the hobby consensus is that it must be made of cardboard and I understand it entirely.

Even if PSA slabbed the the M101s or NCPs, it might increase their value but they would never realize what the more traditionally accepted rookies are of some of these players.

Not that one's budget should be a factor in defining a rookie card but for many in the hobby who cannot afford some of the traditional rookies, having a broader definition of "rookie card" might be necessary.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Exactly! Which is why I wrote the hobby consensus is that it must be made of cardboard and I understand it entirely.

Even if PSA slabbed the the M101s or NCPs, it might increase their value but they would never realize what the more traditionally accepted rookies are of some of these players.

Not that one's budget should be a factor in defining a rookie card but for many in the hobby who cannot afford some of the traditional rookies, having a broader definition of "rookie card" might be necessary.

Hard to say...have those wagners sold at those prices raw? Also, i dont think the Gehrig exhibit was thought of like it is today for most of time....look at it now!

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

Hard to say...have those wagners sold at those prices raw? Also, i dont think the Gehrig exhibit was thought of like it is today for most of time....look at it now!

Since the advent of grading, I highly doubt an E107 or W600 Wagner would have sold ungraded. Agree on the Exhibit Gehrig...All of the Exhibits have been slow to be appreciated. Lots of tough Exhibit rookies.

From my POV I feel the NCP Wagner would be his rookie but I am certain I am in the minority.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Exactly! Which is why I wrote the hobby consensus is that it must be made of cardboard and I understand it entirely.

Even if PSA slabbed the the M101s or NCPs, it might increase their value but they would never realize what the more traditionally accepted rookies are of some of these players.

Not that one's budget should be a factor in defining a rookie card but for many in the hobby who cannot afford some of the traditional rookies, having a broader definition of "rookie card" might be necessary.

+1 ...There are a lot of things that I consider cards when others might not. I guess a card, by definition, should be made of cardboard?

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[h2oya311]

PSA is grading M101s...but of the “2” (M101-2) variety. I think the M101-1s are still a little too big. But, since M101-2s have started to be graded (by PSA), their values have really shot up...Even though they are paper thin. It’s only a matter of time before the floodgates are opened for other paper premiums/issues.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

PSA is grading M101s...but of the “2” (M101-2) variety. I think the M101-1s are still a little too big. But, since M101-2s have started to be graded (by PSA), their values have really shot up...Even though they are paper thin. It’s only a matter of time before the floodgates are opened for other paper premiums/issues.

Exactly! No one is paying a big premium on EBay for a raw paper card (that seems an odd place to sell that card for that $$)...but grade it and I bet you that Wagner is going to fly much higher. You could buy worse things for that money.