Lionel Carter T206 PSA Graded

[insccollectibles]

Hey Everyone,

I ran across this card in my collection and was wondering if there are a lot of Lionel Carter PSA's out there? Was some of his collection sent to PSA for grading or is this one just a crossover?

[T206Collector]

Looks like someone didn't like the SGC AUTH on a Lionel Carter T206 and gambled on a PSA crossover. I doubt there would be many crossed over to PSA.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Did Carter trim?


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[Jay Wolt]

I ran across this card in my collection and was wondering if there are a lot of Lionel Carter PSA's out there?

Now & then you see some PSA Lionel Carter's, not sure if PSA re-holdered some SGC's or if raw set winners from Legendary submitted them to PSA

[Leon]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

Did Carter trim?


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He was a condition freak and I have never heard of him doing it, but it was very common way back in the early days, so it wouldn't surprise me too much if we found he trimmed a few to fit in binders. But overall, I kind of doubt it.

[barrysloate]

The early plastic sheets were side loaders, and many of the oversized tobacco cards wouldn't fit. So it was common for collectors to take a little bit off the top until the card slid easily into place. I had a friend who was collecting his T206's in the 70's and 80's who used to do that.

[Jay Wolt]

He was a condition freak

Leon, I always thought so as well, but I ran across a bunch of beat up & trimmed cards that came from his collection.
Perhaps he never was able to upgrade them.

[Luke]

His Plank that Nelson had was also really beat up. Carter said he almost threw it away but decided to keep it until he found a better one. He probably did that with a few cards and never found a nicer one.

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Leon, I always thought so as well, but I ran across a bunch of beat up & trimmed cards that came from his collection.
Perhaps he never was able to upgrade them.

or they were cards he did upgrade and never traded the duplicates?

[Jay Wolt]

David, not so sure.
When Legendary was consigned his massive collection, they sent SGC various complete sets to pedigree & slab.
So each card should be the only one slabbed. So each L.Carter card should be a 1/1.

[Al C.risafulli]

I was fortunate enough to have been doing marketing work for SGC when this collection came in for grading. At the time, I was producing Collector magazine and got to work on an article about it.

My understanding is that Mr. Carter began collecting in the 1930s, and the first set of his that was fairly universally spectacular, condition-wise, was his 1938 Goudey set. That set was sold whole, and is still intact on the SGC Registry.

The sets earlier than 1938 had some condition issues, as he had to trade for or buy those cards. Obviously, some of those wound up being altered, as was the case with a lot of cards from back in the day, when a slight trim wasn't done to deceive.

My understanding is also that some of the sets and single cards in his collection were kept ungraded and sold that way. The T206 set was sold in SGC holders, if I recall, so this example must be a crossover. Pretty cool that PSA kept the Carter pedigree.

-Al

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Al C.risafulli

I was fortunate enough to have been doing marketing work for SGC when this collection came in for grading. At the time, I was producing Collector magazine and got to work on an article about it.

My understanding is that Mr. Carter began collecting in the 1930s, and the first set of his that was fairly universally spectacular, condition-wise, was his 1938 Goudey set. That set was sold whole, and is still intact on the SGC Registry.

The sets earlier than 1938 had some condition issues, as he had to trade for or buy those cards. Obviously, some of those wound up being altered, as was the case with a lot of cards from back in the day, when a slight trim wasn't done to deceive.

My understanding is also that some of the sets and single cards in his collection were kept ungraded and sold that way. The T206 set was sold in SGC holders, if I recall, so this example must be a crossover. Pretty cool that PSA kept the Carter pedigree.

-Al

Very informative...thanks, Al!

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Very informative...thanks, Al!

indeed. thanks jay, al.