Is there a more undervalued card in vintage?

[T_Hamilton]

saw someone on the boards post a pic of a 1957 Frank Robinson Topps RC card... i had about $300 in my PayPal account and ended up looking on ebay... grabbed a PSA 5 for around $300. I couldn't believe a HOF RC in mid-grade could be had for so little... especially given Frank is top 20 in WAR.

Who else has other cards they think are massively undergraded... would be great to hear.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

saw someone on the boards post a pic of a 1957 Frank Robinson Topps RC card... i had about $300 in my PayPal account and ended up looking on ebay... grabbed a PSA 5 for around $300. I couldn't believe a HOF RC in mid-grade could be had for so little... especially given Frank is top 20 in WAR.

Who else has other cards they think are massively undergraded... would be great to hear.

Jerry Rice rookies are still relatively cheap. He is arguably the best WR of all time.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

saw someone on the boards post a pic of a 1957 Frank Robinson Topps RC card... i had about $300 in my PayPal account and ended up looking on ebay... grabbed a PSA 5 for around $300. I couldn't believe a HOF RC in mid-grade could be had for so little... especially given Frank is top 20 in WAR.

Who else has other cards they think are massively undergraded... would be great to hear.

As far as similar to Frank Robinson, I find Carl Yaz rookies still cheap. Although he is starting to creep up there as well.

[conor912]

I have noticed over the years of collecting that there is a premium on player personality. The hobby is not typically kind (in terms of monetary value) to the quiet workhorses of the game. There are, of course, exceptions, like Mike Trout, who is as dull as dull can be.

[pgconboy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Jerry Rice rookies are still relatively cheap. He is arguably the best WR of all time.

I collected football cards in the 90s. Came back to collecting in the mid 2010s and was amazed that the value of Rice's rookie card had DROPPED!

I gleefully bought 2, 1 being autographed.

[icollectDCsports]

Frank Robinson's career is underappreciated. Disappointing and always amazed by it.

[Wanaselja]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

saw someone on the boards post a pic of a 1957 Frank Robinson Topps RC card... i had about $300 in my PayPal account and ended up looking on ebay... grabbed a PSA 5 for around $300. I couldn't believe a HOF RC in mid-grade could be had for so little... especially given Frank is top 20 in WAR.

Who else has other cards they think are massively undergraded... would be great to hear.

Did you pick up the best offer one that was listed with a SN# ending in 18181? I was watching that one and it just ended this afternoon. Sold my 5 earlier this year and am looking to upgrade but it’s proving harder than I thought.

[T_Hamilton]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

As far as similar to Frank Robinson, I find Carl Yaz rookies still cheap. Although he is starting to creep up there as well.

Holy cow... a PSA 7 for around ~$450. wow!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

Holy cow... a PSA 7 for around ~$450. wow!

Yea...you can still get 4's and 5's for under $200. It's hard finding clean ones of that....usually a lot of trash in it.

[rats60]

T206 Eddie Collins. He is top 10 in war and sells cheaper than several lesser hofers. A SGC4 recently sold for 349.00.

[T_Hamilton]

Originally Posted by Wanaselja

Did you pick up the best offer one that was listed with a SN# ending in 18181? I was watching that one and it just ended this afternoon. Sold my 5 earlier this year and am looking to upgrade but it’s proving harder than I thought.

That's the one... loved the centering on it...

[Wanaselja]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

That's the one... loved the centering on it...

Damn, me too. I should have jumped on that. Didn't think $300 would get it done so I didn't bother. Excellent pickup. Great looking 5.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by rats60

T206 Eddie Collins. He is top 10 in war and sells cheaper than several lesser hofers. A SGC4 recently sold for 349.00.

Eddie Collins is my all time “most underrated” player when it comes to the value of his collectibles/cards. He sells for far les than players that were not nearly as good. In fact he sells for common HOF prices most of the time (there is no reason Eddie Collins should sell for the same as George Kelly)

I think he has a few things that work against him... he was not very good looking nor athletic looking (I have a hard time thinking kids were wanting to be just like Eddie), he was pretty straight laced and not a larger than life persona. The guy was on the 1919 “Black Sox” team but is hardly even mentioned in that story by most as the players knew he wouldn’t have wanted anything to do with it. In short he is probably too boring.

[T_Hamilton]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Eddie Collins is my all time “most underrated” player when it comes to the value of his collectibles/cards. He sells for far les than players that were not nearly as good. In fact he sells for common HOF prices most of the time (there is no reason Eddie Collins should sell for the same as George Kelly)

I think he has a few things that work against him... he was not very good looking nor athletic looking (I have a hard time thinking kids were wanting to be just like Eddie), he was pretty straight laced and not a larger than life persona. The guy was on the 1919 “Black Sox” team but is hardly even mentioned in that story by most as the players knew he wouldn’t have wanted anything to do with it. In short he is probably too boring.

This is why i Love, and Hate, these threads... my collection loves it as it changes the way I think... my wallet hates it as know I will be on the look out :-D

[oldjudge]

Robinson is #24 in career WAR. There are quite a few players with better career WAR whose cards are also not valued highly. On the other side, you have Joe Jackson who is tied for 165th in career WAR.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Eddie Collins is my all time “most underrated” player when it comes to the value of his collectibles/cards. He sells for far les than players that were not nearly as good. In fact he sells for common HOF prices most of the time (there is no reason Eddie Collins should sell for the same as George Kelly)

I think he has a few things that work against him... he was not very good looking nor athletic looking (I have a hard time thinking kids were wanting to be just like Eddie), he was pretty straight laced and not a larger than life persona. The guy was on the 1919 “Black Sox” team but is hardly even mentioned in that story by most as the players knew he wouldn’t have wanted anything to do with it. In short he is probably too boring.

Not pretty, but a United States Marine. I'm both partial and happy his cards are under priced. One hell of a career.

Joe Jackson's 1913 Tom Barker, National Game and 1914 Polo Grounds are undervalued for his earlier playing days in my opinion. But game cards are second to the rest

Agree on Eddie Collins. I'd also add Jimmie Foxx and Stan Musial into the mix

[robw1959]

I would rate Ted Williams Topps cards as being underrated relative to his status. Those Williams cards typically sell for the same or less than some of his HOF counterparts like Aaron, Mays, Clemente, and, of course, Mantle. I don't know about his WAR, but his OPS is second only to Babe Ruth, and 35 points higher than the Iron Horse, Lou Gehrig. There's a good example on eBay right now featuring a '56 Topps Williams and a '56 Topps Jackie Robinson - same seller, same grade, same grading company, and the ending times of both listings are only 2 minutes apart. Yet Jackie is beating Ted by about $40, and likely will have a higher final bid as well.

[Tyruscobb]

In my humble opinion, both 1955 Hank Aarons (Bowman & Topps) are undervalued and bargains. 1955 was Aaron’s second year. 1955 was his first Bowman issue and just his second Topps card.

Yet, in graded 5s, the Bowman sells for under $200.00 and the Topps for $350.00. Compare these prices with the 1955 Willie Mays cards which are his fourth year ones. Mays’ 1955 Bowman, in a graded 5, sells for around $225.00, and the Topps for around $400.00.

Further compare this with Mickey Mantle’s sole 1955 card. You could own both Hank Aaron’s 1955 cards, in a graded 5, for less than the cost of the Mantle in the same grade.

[familytoad]

For many years, as I grew up in the 70's, these were the top 1 or 2 players at their positions:
Pie Traynor
Eddie Collins
Mickey Cochrane/Bill Dickey
Tris Speaker

Other players may have leap frogged over them (maybe not Collins) but the card prices of these all-time greats dont correlate.

[drumback]

If Eddie Collins was so boring, why did they call him Cocky Collins? He was smarter than just about every player in the game, and he knew it, and used it to his advantage on the field. He drove pitchers crazy on the basepaths, sometimes stealing bases before the pitcher even threw a pitch. Conversely, he was one of the most superstitious players of his time as well. Really, one of the most interesting players of the deadball era.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

In my humble opinion, both 1955 Hank Aarons (Bowman & Topps) are undervalued and bargains. 1955 was Aaron’s second year. 1955 was his first Bowman issue and just his second Topps card.

Yet, in graded 5s, the Bowman sells for under $200.00 and the Topps for $350.00. Compare these prices with the 1955 Willie Mays cards which are his fourth year ones. Mays’ 1955 Bowman, in a graded 5, sells for around $225.00, and the Topps for around $400.00.

Further compare this with Mickey Mantle’s sole 1955 card. You could own both Hank Aaron’s 1955 cards, in a graded 5, for less than the cost of the Mantle in the same grade.

Well this clearly shows that collectors value Mays over Aaron, and Mantle over them both.
And this shouldn't be surprising, Mantle is the undisputed king of the post-war hobby.

[Donscards]

As far as rookies, I think the 1951 Bowman Willie Mays is undervalued, and all Stan Musial cards.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Donscards

As far as rookies, I think the 1951 Bowman Willie Mays is undervalued, and all Stan Musial cards.

I would hardly call PSA 1's being at $1,500 as undervalued. But, what do I know.

[T_Hamilton]

Originally Posted by Donscards

As far as rookies, I think the 1951 Bowman Willie Mays is undervalued, and all Stan Musial cards.

I agree with Stan the Man!

[Golfcollector]

Obviously I am biased but

https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/crawford-sam

[brewing]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

In my humble opinion, both 1955 Hank Aarons (Bowman & Topps) are undervalued and bargains. 1955 was Aaron’s second year. 1955 was his first Bowman issue and just his second Topps card.

Yet, in graded 5s, the Bowman sells for under $200.00 and the Topps for $350.00. Compare these prices with the 1955 Willie Mays cards which are his fourth year ones. Mays’ 1955 Bowman, in a graded 5, sells for around $225.00, and the Topps for around $400.00.

I agree overall. Although for 55 Topps, the Mays is a high number which has a big factor on the price.

[brewing]

Originally Posted by Golfcollector

Obviously I am biased but

https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/crawford-sam

Ssshhhh! There are a few more Wahoo Sam cards I'm trying to acquire.

I like that the All Time and Single Season triples record holders are in the T206 set and easily attainable.

[Golfcollector]

Originally Posted by brewing

Ssshhhh! There are a few more Wahoo Sam cards I'm trying to acquire.

I like that the All Time and Single Season triples record holders are in the T206 set and easily attainable.

Brent let me know what are looking for, I might have a couple around....

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by drumback

If Eddie Collins was so boring, why did they call him Cocky Collins? He was smarter than just about every player in the game, and he knew it, and used it to his advantage on the field. He drove pitchers crazy on the basepaths, sometimes stealing bases before the pitcher even threw a pitch. Conversely, he was one of the most superstitious players of his time as well. Really, one of the most interesting players of the deadball era.

I don’t think he was boring, nor was he probably considered “boring” during his time. That being said I can’t really remember ever hearing a romanticized story regarding Eddie Collins ever being told. It seems he just hasn’t carried with him the same aura of historical significance into our time as many of his contemporaries did so he could be viewed as “boring” by today’s collectors. Whatever the reason, I don’t think I have ever met someone that focuses on Collins... but I have met quite a few Lajoie, Foxx, Speaker, etc collectors. Collins is considered one of the top 25-30 players in the history of the game by many Experts.

[Natswin2019]

Originally Posted by Donscards

As far as rookies, I think the 1951 Bowman Willie Mays is undervalued, and all Stan Musial cards.

I'd agree with Stan being undervalued. I was able to pick up a nice looking 1960 Stan for pretty cheap recently

[Jason19th]

I have always thought that Monte Irvin was criminally underrated. I know he had a short career in the major because of the color line, but he was star from day one and was a truly great player. Yet his cards are barely above commons

[Exhibitman]

From a card collecting perspective, another vote here for The Beast. 10th all time on base percentage, 4th all time slugging %, 5th all time OPS, 22nd all time in total bases BUT 110th in games played. Yet his Exhibit RC sells for a 20th of what you'd have to pay for a Gehrig. I realize Gehrig has the Yankees mystique, the coincidence of dying from Lou Gehrig's Disease, and the movie, but still...

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Jason19th

I have always thought that Monte Irvin was criminally underrated. I know he had a short career in the major because of the color line, but he was star from day one and was a truly great player. Yet his cards are barely above commons

Throw Doby into that mix and I couldn't agree more.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

From a card collecting perspective, another vote here for The Beast. 10th all time on base percentage, 4th all time slugging %, 5th all time OPS, 22nd all time in total bases BUT 110th in games played. Yet his Exhibit RC sells for a 20th of what you'd have to pay for a Gehrig. I realize Gehrig has the Yankees mystique, the coincidence of dying from Lou Gehrig's Disease, and the movie, but still...

I think the movie was a bigger coincidence than the disease, I mean what were the odds?

[Throttlesteer]

My vote goes to Charlie Gehringer.

[seanofjapan]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

I don’t think he was boring, nor was he probably considered “boring” during his time. That being said I can’t really remember ever hearing a romanticized story regarding Eddie Collins ever being told. It seems he just hasn’t carried with him the same aura of historical significance into our time as many of his contemporaries did so he could be viewed as “boring” by today’s collectors. Whatever the reason, I don’t think I have ever met someone that focuses on Collins... but I have met quite a few Lajoie, Foxx, Speaker, etc collectors. Collins is considered one of the top 25-30 players in the history of the game by many Experts.

For me at least part of the problem with Collins is that his overall life story is very uninspiring. He has some racist baggage, which wasn’t unusual among players of his day. But what sets him apart is that there is no “redemption” part of his story in that regard. Other guys like Ty Cobb or Tris Speaker mellowed out and became way more accepting later in life, especially after Jackie Robinson came around. Speaker was a former Klansman who later helped Larry Doby break the color barrier in the AL for example. So you can find something redeeming in their life story that makes them a bit more appealing despite their rough edges.

Collins doesn’t have anything like that in his story. Later in life he played a key role in blocking desegregation on the Red Sox way after most of his contemporaries came around. He was just plain on the wrong side of history. Its really hard to get enthusiastic about a guy like that. Its particularly the case since when you read his bio this is basically the last chapter, so his story ends on this negative note.

[SAllen2556]

I nominate Harry Heilmann
Four batting titles. .342 lifetime avg. And a real gentleman. Also a great broadcaster for the Tigers. On every all-1920's decade team. Cheap cards.

1921e121Heilmann.jpg

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

That's a sweet E121, 4's in that are like 6's in other issues!

[packs]

Nap Lajoie. I've always thought the premiums on his T206 portrait and with bat cards came down to the images on them rather than the player. The with bat card is on par with the Cobb bat off, and is in my opinion among the two nicest cards in the set.

His Cracker Jack is a hell of a card too. But I sometimes wonder if it's the image or the player that brings the high price there too.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Killebrew rookie. A fraction of the price of Banks or Kaline.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Great thread! I think relatively speaking the Mays Bowman RC is undervalued and will skyrocket after he passes.

[wdwfan]

I like the fact F. Robinson is underpriced and undervalued because I'm going to have to pick one up eventually for my 1957 Topps set.

As far as Rice, I think it's just the fact it's from the junk wax era (mid 1980s-mid 1990s). I think that has more to do with it than anything. Heck, even Montana RCs have gone down from $175 BV to $100 BV.

Who would've thought HOFer RCs would drop, especially ones that drop nearly 50 percent.

[DeanH3]

Pre-war I'd have to say T206 Eddie Collins.

Post-war - 1955 Topps Hank Aaron. Nice mid grade examples are criminally under valued.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Pre-war I'd have to say T206 Eddie Collins.

Post-war - 1955 Topps Hank Aaron. Nice mid grade examples are criminally under valued.

Well...it's a 2nd year card.....everyone is going after the rookie.

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Well...it's a 2nd year card.....everyone is going after the rookie.

Obviously, however that still doesn't mean it's not an under valued card.

[packs]

After all, the 52 Topps Mantle is a second year card too.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by wdwfan

I like the fact F. Robinson is underpriced and undervalued because I'm going to have to pick one up eventually for my 1957 Topps set.

As far as Rice, I think it's just the fact it's from the junk wax era (mid 1980s-mid 1990s). I think that has more to do with it than anything. Heck, even Montana RCs have gone down from $175 BV to $100 BV.

Who would've thought HOFer RCs would drop, especially ones that drop nearly 50 percent.

The Griffey UD RC plummeted in price about 10-15 years ago. I hadn't yet bought one. Glad I could pick up 3 for what used to be the price of 1.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by packs

after all, the 52 topps mantle is a second year card too.

lolololololololol