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Old 04-12-2018, 07:03 PM
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I have had this box for a while and finally sent it in to PSA. Really happy with the grade but wish they had secured it a little better inside the holder.
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:07 PM
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Old 04-13-2018, 11:42 AM
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I have had this box for a while and finally sent it in to PSA. Really happy with the grade but wish they had secured it a little better inside the holder.
Bravo, Mike. As far as I can see, it came out Near Mint 7, which is super, though I don't see why it would not have been more accurate to put it an 8, 9, or even 10.

My advice on the position of the card is to gently bump the holder against your palm, and when you get the box centered the way you like, leave it alone.

As one who owns a pair of 1962 JELL-O unfolded boxes, I can truly understand why you're so thrilled with it. You should be. They are rare as hen's teeth. The '62 JELL-Os are underrated, misunderstood, and underappreciated. It has SLOWLY become confirmed that for 1962, they were test issued in the Chicagoland area, as well as Milwaukee. I covered them in the first chapter of my book, NEVER CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN. Anyway, an unfolded box is extraordinary, period. Congratulations.

If you don't mind taking the time to discuss, where did you get that precious Pinson unfolded box? Did you get any background information from the gent you bought it from that you will share? Please, I would be very interested.

Regardless, thanks for sharing your bounty with us. Glad too that PSA has finally decided to encapsulate AND numerically grade such prize pieces!

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I picked this up along with the Carl Warwick a while back in a collection I bought that also included over one hundred Wheaties panels and 9 unfolded boxes of 1962 Post Football boxes. I started a thread on the Warwick large box a few weeks ago.Beckett graded that one and gave it a 9. Is your book available in print ( hard cover or paperback)?
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Mike,

To save a long explanation, my editor, former Sports Collectors Digest editor in chief, Tom Bartsch, tried and tried to get it into paper print, but the cost at Amazon for a print on demand for just plain paper would have been about $72, and for all photo paper, $95.

So, the book is only available as an E-book on a CD for $30, whereby you would insert the disk into the disk drive of your computer and read it on your screen, or on Amazon as a digital download for only $9.99.

Believe me, Mike, at 480 pages, you're getting a load of information, a treasure trove of stories and anecdotes, and some good insight on these once-free prizes that always seemed to prove expensive at the time, kinda hard-to-very hard to get back in the day, and tough to get AND expensive today. Hence, my book's title---NEVER CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN. Oh yes, I almost forgot, there's also approx. 32 color photos (1 b&w), with at least one picture for each of the 20 chapters.

I do want to convey my thanks for sharing how you came to own those two prize pieces. They are .... tough to find the words .... the stuff that dreams are made of ..... for the regional / food rarity connoisseur.

Whatever you decide, bro, and I mean this, I am happy for you that you came to own them. You certainly must have taken good care of them once you bought them, and discovered them in the collection. Again, now that they're graded / encapsulated, they make marvelous display and conversation pieces. There's a boatload of '62-63 Topps baseball; you can count the number of essentially mint unfolded JELL-O boxes in one breath.

Best regards, my fellow collecting warrior. --- Brian Powell

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Brian,
In terms of scarcity, which year is harder to find in terms of unfolded boxes? 62 or 63? I have 3 unfolded 63’s I picked up in about 1974 or so. Warwick and 2 Osteens from different flavors.
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So I'm reading along while not logged in and see Brian's "where did you get that precious Pinson unfolded box" comment!!! I'm drooling. If, by chance, you ever decide to put it on the market kindly keep the BST section here in mind.
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In terms of scarcity, which year is harder to find in terms of unfolded boxes? 62 or 63? I have 3 unfolded 63’s I picked up in about 1974 or so. Warwick and 2 Osteens from different flavors.
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Hey Mike E.

That is a tough question for which I could not begin to answer, but in m' own inimitable way, I have a few words to say. On the one hand, the 1962 JELL-Os were a test issue, marketed only in the Chicagoland area and Milwaukee. While the 1963 JELL-Os were a nationwide release, the matter of unfolded boxes will likely remain a mystery as to their existence. As I wrote in NEVER CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN, either a workman at the company that printed the JELL-O boxes grabbed a few as souvenirs, or some were used for promotional purposes of some sort, or even a JELL-O promotions division meeting to discuss their test baseball card campaign, or in '63, their imminent coast to coast "free card" offering. Regardless, they were saved and not destroyed, fortunately. Mind you, no customers at the supermarkets would have had access to unfolded boxes. Never. At the time, such souvenirs were essentially worthless, anyway. In 1962-63, the adult baseball card hobby was tinzie-weenzie, and highly unorganized. The prices were minuscule. It took until the last year of the 60s for this to BEGIN to change.

As the adult baseball card hobby skyrocketed, and John Q. Public became aware that older baseball cards might be worth some money, little by little, those souvenirs saved in a drawer or box in a closet of personal "stuff", began to be dug out and brought to a baseball card show to sell. Someone like Mr. Mint Alan Rosen was always interested in rare, unusual pieces, especially if they were in pristine condition. He knew the dyed in the wool collector loved these sorts of items, as did Alan when he was a voracious collector. How would I know that? Alan Rosen told me so in the priceless phone interview he granted me when I was researching my book.

In fact, the pair of unfolded boxes I own were both purchased at the big Philly show in the fall of 1988, one of them from Mr. Mint himself. It cost a pretty penny then, but I had never heard of, nor seen, a virtually mint UNFOLDED 1962 JELL-O baseball card box. So intriguing. So unusual. What an escape from the conventional!

Love at first sight.

This was NOT the time to quibble, or haggle, or wait and sleep on it, to think about it. NO! I BOUGHT THAT GORGEOUS, ENORMOUSLY RARE '62 JELL-O UNFOLDED BOX RIGHT THEN AND THERE! I paid The Mint Man's price. Worth every penny I spent. It's now been almost 30 years later, and I still treasure it. The first box I bought that night, with none other than Mickey Mantle as the free prize card, wound up on the cover of NEVER CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN.

Sorry, here I get going with my enthusiasm for these babies!

Mike E., I'm sorry I cannot give you an answer. You'd have to scour old Mastro auction catalogs, and boxes of back-issues of Sports Collectors Digests from the late 70s til the late 90s. As you probably well remember, that's when SCD was thick---over 200 pages loaded with ads and great articles. Let me just say that I would scrutinize my SCDs back in the late 80s, cover to cover, looking for postwar regional / food rarities I did not have. Seldom-to-rarely would a year's worth of SCD back then contain an advertisement offering an unfolded JELL-O box. They were few to be had, and once offered and sold, they were regarded as prized pieces and special favorites that stayed in those collections for many years. I mean, the collector fortunate enough to own one jolly well understood that if he parted with it, he'd NEVER get it back, or likely see another again. That's an unusually hard thing for most collectors to grasp, since many haven't been in that situation, because they're usually concentrating on collecting mainstream gum or tobacco cards. When you get into postwar regional / food, you really escape the ordinary. It's a different world. Anybody can get a 1954 Topps Henry Aaron rookie. IF you've got the discretionary boo coo, there are literally hundreds of 1952 Topps Mickey Mantles out there, which is honestly very good for the hobby.

Back to Hank Aaron. Consider and ponder his 1967 Coca-Cola premium, as printed for them by Dexter Press. That huge card is one of The Hammer's finest, most breathtaking "free prizes" to be seen---a real gem. Sure, Hank's rookie is worth more, as is his '67 Topps, in top condition. Nevertheless, I would select Henry's '67 Coke premium in a heartbeat. At the time the '67 Coca-Cola premiums were issued, ONLY CONSUMERS IN GEORGIA WOULD HAVE HAD ACCESS TO COKE BOTTLES WITH ATLANTA BRAVE PLAYERS UNDER THE CAPS. YOU HAD TO SWILL LOTS OF COKE TO COLLECT ALMOST ALL OF THE BRAVES CAPS, TO REDEEM THEM AT A COCA-COLA BOTTLER FOR A DEXTER PRESS BRAVES TEAM SET OF 12, WHICH OF COURSE INCLUDED HAMMERIN' HANK AARON. Just an example. There's much more to the 1967 Coca-Cola premium story, but you'll have to buy NEVER CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN to find out. Sorry, but you know .....

Please excuse me; again, the author gets to waxing lyrical about his subject.

You may never get a concrete answer on which of the 2 years did the most JELL-O unfolded boxes survive. All you can do is continue to ask around, and get all sorts of opinions, or looks of "huh?" I seriously doubt anyone knows. Look for yourself at the major auction house catalogs, or even eBay, though I doubt checking eBay would turn up any, though there are certain eBay dealers that specialize in the postwar regional / food. However, one of them is known for his "museum prices". This is when he could truthfully chide you with the old dealer line, "Try to find another." You could go to the National at Cleveland this year, and wear yourself out walking the aisles, studying each table. There are a few dealers that specialize in just this sort of exotic rarity. Nevertheless, the thrill of the hunt will only be thrilling if you spot one. Be prepared mentally and psychologically for sticker shock.

Trust me, your JELL-O unfolded boxes are each genuinely rare, and fully worthy of the adjective.

Well, enough of my palabre.

Happy hunting, friend. --- Brian Powell

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Mike,

To save a long explanation, my editor, former Sports Collectors Digest editor in chief, Tom Bartsch, tried and tried to get it into paper print, but the cost at Amazon for a print on demand for just plain paper would have been about $72, and for all photo paper, $95.

So, the book is only available as an E-book on a CD for $30, whereby you would insert the disk into the disk drive of your computer and read it on your screen, or on Amazon as a digital download for only $9.99.

Believe me, Mike, at 480 pages, you're getting a load of information, a treasure trove of stories and anecdotes, and some good insight on these once-free prizes that always seemed to prove expensive at the time, kinda hard-to-very hard to get back in the day, and tough to get AND expensive today. Hence, my book's title---NEVER CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN. Oh yes, I almost forgot, there's also approx. 32 color photos (1 b&w), with at least one picture for each of the 20 chapters.

I do want to convey my thanks for sharing how you came to own those two prize pieces. They are .... tough to find the words .... the stuff that dreams are made of ..... for the regional / food rarity connoisseur.

Whatever you decide, bro, and I mean this, I am happy for you that you came to own them. You certainly must have taken good care of them once you bought them, and discovered them in the collection. Again, now that they're graded / encapsulated, they make marvelous display and conversation pieces. There's a boatload of '62-63 Topps baseball; you can count the number of essentially mint unfolded JELL-O boxes in one breath.

Best regards, my fellow collecting warrior. --- Brian Powell
Not meaning to side track the discussion, but just wanted to give an endorsement of Brian's book. I very much enjoyed reading it. Well done

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Not meaning to side track the discussion, but just wanted to give an endorsement of Brian's book. I very much enjoyed reading it. Well done

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Good morning, Zach. I chanced to read your comment last evening. I was humbled with your kindness, and am not ashamed to say I lost my composure for a few minutes. I am so glad you enjoyed my book. Thanks again. --- Brian Powell
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Old 04-23-2018, 10:08 PM
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Ken, in case you can use this information for your project, here are 5 1962 Jello boxes I have you can add to your list: Large box #64 Schwall, Cherry; and these four small boxes: #178 Friend, Black Cherry; #27 Gentile, Apple; #37 Power, Lemon Pudding; #125 Brosnan, Lime
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I have worked with Ken on compiling a list of cards and their particular Jello boxes. This includes pudding and whether they are 3 ounces and 6 ounces. We have a pretty good list for the 62's. I believe we have a complete list for the 63 Jello cards. It should be noted; ALL of the "short prints" or rather the most difficult cards in that set were on 6 ounce boxes. I have been working on a paper that compares the difficult cards in the 63 Post Cereal set with the difficult cards in the 63 Jello set. It was the intent that they were one set not two as they are considered now. I would be glad to share the 2 Jello lists we have now.

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seattlebaseball--thanks a ton for sending the information on the five jello boxes you have. while i was aware of three of the players/boxes, both the gentile and schwall is absolutely new information. very much appreciated. in combing your net54 posts looks like your name is charles. would love to talk to you about your jello boxes and some other stuff if you have the time. ken bwnrot@aol.com 916 508-7872
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The O’toole pictured previously is a 63 Jell-o as well are these. Just received these back from PSA Saturday. This is the 2nd Warwick I have. The other one is in a Beckett holder.
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Here’s a couple of new 62 Jell-o’s. You would think PSA has a uniform way to put the cards/boxes in their holder. It makes it kind of difficult to display them in orderly fashion.
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You're right, Mike. Uniformity makes for better display power.

I imagine since PSA rarely grades an unfolded JELL-O box, and since graders have their own idea of how the box should be oriented in the holder, ..... and since PSA loves to listen to collectors for their ideas of how they should do things Try your best to suppress the feeling of being screwed, and bask in the beauty of your unfolded '62 JELL-O white whales with ultra-high grades! I am very, very happy for you. I'd love to own the Early Wynn, but I'll just be pleased to gaze at your neat scan. Looking at your suite of sweet boxes, the Wynn is the one that needs to be re-holdered and oriented as the others are.

If you're going to the National, bring 'em both to show PSA; perhaps they would re-holder for nothing, and decide with you as to what would be the best way to holder it. My gut feeling is they'd look at you with a "Beat it, boy; Ya bother me!" glare. What I'm really suggesting is, don't they have a holder that would accommodate a 1962 box straight on, without turning it on its side? Both my unfolded boxes were done by SGC, and that's how they did it, and I love the appearance.

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PS---As I reflect upon your "ultra-high grades", it is quite true that they are ultra-high for the idiotic standards PSA begrudgingly judged your boxes. However, it just doesn't compute with what I know of the unfolded boxes' provinance. Don't they have any clue these are 1 of 1s, and how literally impossible they survived in pristine condition, having escaped the ravages of what would normally occur to a retail box offering a single baseball card??? Therefore, to judge unfolded boxes as yours with numbers such as 5 - 6, based upon what they grade a standard gum card, when in reality they are 9s and 10s, leaves me with some "full of feces" remarks about TPG immature sense of appropriate wisdom for rare items that are not regular old gum cards. How did I formulate my deep-seated TPG beliefs on this matter, you might ask? Because SGC would "only" give my two 1962 JELL-O unfolded beauties that are in the same pristine condition as yours the blunted, insulting graded of "A" for authentic. Since they couldn't open up the boxes to examine their insides for creases and other such degradations and potential qualifiers, the "A" was all they could say. At the time, I bought their explanation, but the more I think of it, it is extremely insulting to me. I know, they care not for our feelings; they're trying to make a lot of money giving their objective opinion as to a presented item's genuineness and its technical grade of condition. I am not lambasting their business, nor their desire to make money. The hobby needs them. I'm calling down their lack of knowledge and reasoning about this matter of unfolded 1962-1963 JELL-O boxes. At least PSA has seen the light of wisdom to grade your Malzone and Wynn with a 5 and a 6, respectively. That's much better than my pair of "A"s, though any collector could detect their pristine condition for themselves, but I realize with those words, .........

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I realize these are 63's, not 62's, but here is what I can contribute to this thread:
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Mike E: those boxes are really neat. If you ever want to get rid of them please let me know.

Brian: I am going to the Chicago show this coming weekend and I am going to inquire about how they grade these. My main question for them is going to be “ do you grade the box as a whole or do you grade the card itself”. Most of the cards are in really nice condition and I would expect significantly higher grades on the cards if I cut them out and submitted them by themselves ( something I would never do).

It sure seems as though the post and Jell-o’s are really heating up over the last 6 months or so.
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I am sure they consider the entirety of the item. If the box is creased, but doesn't go through the card itself, it's still creased. If you only wanted the card graded, you'd have to cut the card off.
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Default 63 Jell-o Kralick Blackberry still inside

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Default Just posted 12 62 and 63 Jell-o boxes.

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Hi Mike:

You show an Apple flavor box above, between the Jensen and Lumpe. Which card is the Apple? Or I guess what I am asking is what flavor are the Jensen and Lumpe?
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One 62 and a couple of 63’s.
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Really nice shape and happy to have it.
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Mike,

Great posts. We did not have a flavor listed for the 62 Mahaffey. I have added it as Lime. Could you tell me the flavor of the 62 Buhl? I want to verify it against what we have on our list. Thanks.
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I wish any of those Post cereal books were still avail...at a reasonable price
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Old 08-04-2022, 05:02 PM
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Happy to add these 3 63 Jell-o boxes.
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lulu.com is great for print on demand titles.
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