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Old 03-22-2021, 06:54 PM
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Default Vintage Pennant Or Repro?

Hello Folks,

Novice collector here who has just enough knowledge in a variety of subjects to get myself in hot water. Was wondering if this Brooklyn Dodgers pennant was the real deal or a newer reproduction? To me it is a bit too pristine looking and unsoiled. Please advise.

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Old 03-22-2021, 07:27 PM
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I think its legit.

Guys in the pennant thread can confirm.
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It looks like an original to me. Spine and stitching looks of the era. Wouldn't the tell tale sign be if this is soft felt? I don't think there are any original "stiff" Brooklyn Dodger pennants.

Definitely not a Mitchell & Ness.
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Old 03-22-2021, 09:45 PM
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It looks like an original to me. Spine and stitching looks of the era. Wouldn't the tell tale sign be if this is soft felt? I don't think there are any original "stiff" Brooklyn Dodger pennants.

Definitely not a Mitchell & Ness.
It is very soft. Got it with New York Giants & Boston Braves pennants at an estate auction.

Thanks for the comments.
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Old 03-23-2021, 06:38 AM
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Sounds like you've got a winner! And a nice lot too.
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Well, now you need to show us the Giants and Braves
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Well, now you need to show us the Giants and Braves
Hopefully I have gotten them to attach.
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Old 03-23-2021, 09:14 PM
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The Giants pennant is not overly rare but the blue is prone to fading and yours is bluer than most.

Im wondering if the Braves had a print mis-alignment or if someone trimmed it...
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The Giants pennant is not overly rare but the blue is prone to fading and yours is bluer than most.

I’m wondering if the Braves had a print mis-alignment or if someone trimmed it...
There's a very easy way to tell. Look closely at the top edge of the top border. If white paint resides on the top edge, it is "as made" and unaltered. If the white paint is only on the front of the pennant (and does not bend around to the top edge), then it is likely trimmed.

I've seen it a thousand times and it's quite obvious when the pennant is in-hand.

Good stuff BTW... especially the classic and underrated Bums pennant. One of the truly great and artistic golden-age pennants, with the cigar smoke forming the script "Brooklyn".

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Nice pennants, all legit. As Mark said the screen usually extends to the side of the pennant when original. This series in particular was oftentimes miscut or misaligned. All look in original condition to me. Nice pick up
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Cool pennants, now we just need to identify the maker.
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Nice Pennants. I've snagged a the same Boston Braves pennant yesterday. The spine looks a bit funky. I'll have to wait for it to be delivered to make an assessment. I'm hoping it just needs to be ironed out. I cost me very little, so I was happy to take a chance.
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I think it'll be ok. Just iron it from the reverse side and don't keep the iron in one place for too long. Keep it moving... looks like the tip end could use some minor "flattening" as well. I bet it turns out to be fine.

Nice pickup!
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Nice Pennants. I've snagged a the same Boston Braves pennant yesterday. The spine looks a bit funky. I'll have to wait for it to be delivered to make an assessment. I'm hoping it just needs to be ironed out. I cost me very little, so I was happy to take a chance.
Yeah...That just looks like it needs a good ironing. Interesting that your Brave is wearing a different headdress. I suspect yours might be a little older.
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Yes to both what Mark and Rob said. There are plenty of good deals to be had if you dont fall in to the Im going to compete with everyone else theory. These are all a perfect example of 75 year old tough items in really nice shape. I believe the latest example is older as well and has a different font for lettering. Ive always really liked almost all vintage Braves pennants. In my area, Milwaukee had a huge following before the Twins. My grandfather used to take the kids on baseball trips down to Milwaukee from Duluth back in the 50s. Also, hard to find a nicer uniform than the 50s Braves.
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Yes to both what Mark and Rob said. There are plenty of good deals to be had if you dont fall in to the Im going to compete with everyone else theory. These are all a perfect example of 75 year old tough items in really nice shape. I believe the latest example is older as well and has a different font for lettering. Ive always really liked almost all vintage Braves pennants. In my area, Milwaukee had a huge following before the Twins. My grandfather used to take the kids on baseball trips down to Milwaukee from Duluth back in the 50s. Also, hard to find a nicer uniform than the 50s Braves.
It is nice but has the dreaded blue fade. 32 oz. of blue dye would fix it right up!
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It is nice but has the dreaded blue fade. 32 oz. of blue dye would fix it right up!
I wouldn't dye it. Blue is still the predominant color, and you definitely want to keep it original. If anything, the slight fading gives it a nice aged/antique look.

When these pennants have faded completely to grey, I can see the case for dying. But that one is still a vintage beauty.
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Yes to both what Mark and Rob said. There are plenty of good deals to be had if you dont fall in to the Im going to compete with everyone else theory. These are all a perfect example of 75 year old tough items in really nice shape. I believe the latest example is older as well and has a different font for lettering. Ive always really liked almost all vintage Braves pennants. In my area, Milwaukee had a huge following before the Twins. My grandfather used to take the kids on baseball trips down to Milwaukee from Duluth back in the 50s. Also, hard to find a nicer uniform than the 50s Braves.
Regarding that last sentence... I agree completely.

Aesthetically, the top 3 Unis of the 1950s are Braves, Cardinals and Reds (just my opinion, in no particular order). Tough to beat the Braves Tomahawk, Birds perched on a Bat, and a beaming Mr. Redlegs!
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I wouldn't dye it. Blue is still the predominant color, and you definitely want to keep it original. If anything, the slight fading gives it a nice aged/antique look.

When these pennants have faded completely to grey, I can see the case for dying. But that one is still a vintage beauty.
My plan is to leave the Braves pennant as is (other than ironing the spine). I'm actively looking for hidden gems where it needs a bit of a clean or ironing. For me, it's a way to find so e bargains.

I have a NY Giants Pennant that's faded to a gray-blue. I'm tempted to try a dye on that one. Any pointers as to which dye is best?
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My plan is to leave the Braves pennant as is (other than ironing the spine). I'm actively looking for hidden gems where it needs a bit of a clean or ironing. For me, it's a way to find so e bargains.

I have a NY Giants Pennant that's faded to a gray-blue. I'm tempted to try a dye on that one. Any pointers as to which dye is best?
I used RIT Indigo. Check page 94 of the Hey, pennant guys thread.
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