Mixed Series Boxes

[deweyinthehall]

This isn't the first time I've seen something like this, but it's the most recent.

This is a link to a popular card dealer's YouTube channel. Every few weeks he highlights the top sellers at prominent auctions around the country.

At about the 7 minute mark he showcases a 1966 unopened box which sold recently. If you watch for a few seconds, you'll see the box has a BBCE seal on the bottom that says it's a "series 2/3 box".

Were there boxes with mixed series packs? I'd seen a couple other boxes before like this - all from some year before 1973, and whether they were all BBCE sealed or not I can't say, but they all carried a designation indicating they were from 2 consecutive series.

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiIYKy5FIXc

[Cliff Bowman]

I am going to guess it’s a created Frankenstein box that was filled with loose 2nd Series and 3rd Series packs to completely fill an empty box.

[deweyinthehall]

Which begs this question - when BBCE certifies a box are they merely certifying that each of the 24 packs are sealed and authentic, or are they vouching for the box being likewise?

I know nothing about how this works, so I am curious - am I getting anything different if I buy 24 certified packs or 1 certified box? Apparently not?

I would think they should provide some advisement to customer one way or the other.

[Kevvyg1026]

Recall that although Topps printed cards (e.g., series 2 was 110-196, series 3 was 197 to 283), the checklists reported series 1 as 1-88, series 2 as 89-176, etc.). So, if the box contained series 2 print cards, it would have cards from checklist series 2 and series 3.

Maybe that is what the writing on the box meant.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Recall that although Topps printed cards (e.g., series 2 was 110-196, series 3 was 197 to 283), the checklists reported series 1 as 1-88, series 2 as 89-176, etc.). So, if the box contained series 2 print cards, it would have cards from checklist series 2 and series 3.

Maybe that is what the writing on the box meant.

This makes sense all around. And you coined some excellent nomenclature: Checklist Series vs. Print Series.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Recall that although Topps printed cards (e.g., series 2 was 110-196, series 3 was 197 to 283), the checklists reported series 1 as 1-88, series 2 as 89-176, etc.). So, if the box contained series 2 print cards, it would have cards from checklist series 2 and series 3.

Maybe that is what the writing on the box meant.

Good grief, we know more than the authenticators know. If that's their reasoning for saying it's a 2nd/3rd Series box that's ridiculous.

[deweyinthehall]

I'm happy to take on the challenge of sending BBCE a question asking for an explanation.

Just so we're clear here - is everyone comfortable Topps would not have shipped a box containing packs from multiple 'print' series back in the day?

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Which begs this question - when BBCE certifies a box are they merely certifying that each of the 24 packs are sealed and authentic, or are they vouching for the box being likewise?

I know nothing about how this works, so I am curious - am I getting anything different if I buy 24 certified packs or 1 certified box? Apparently not?

I would think they should provide some advisement to customer one way or the other.

The former. Unless its FASC and labled as such, assume a Frankenstein box.

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