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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Richard
Greetings. I consider the 1948-49 Leaf to be the Jackie Robonson rookie. Is this the consesus for most? |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Ted Z will confirm that the Leaf is his rookie card. Ignore what Joe D says, he's a golf card collector anyway. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The 1949 LEAF card of Jackie Robinson is not really his 1st card (Rookie). |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: barrysloate
It was his first nationally distributed card, but he did appear earlier on Bond Bread cards. However, these were available only in Brooklyn, so not everyone recognizes them as true rookies. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Matt
It is my understanding that the Leaf and Bowman sets were distributed at the same time and therefore either would qualify. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: barrysloate
Ted bought the packs himself in 1949. He'll set the record straight. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Same year, Matt, but not same time. Leaf was first. Ted, now you need to find me one of those round-cornered Bond Bread cards! I've got a square-cornered Bond Bread (portrait) of his but nothing round. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: fkw
I just picked up one a few weeks back... |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)
This is the same type of confusion that exists with several rookie cards out there. It really depends on which camp you are in. Can a rookie card include: A) minor league cards; B) regionally distributed cards; C) Exhibit cards; plus I am sure that there are more. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
BARRY |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Matt
Ted - Robinson's Leaf card was #79 - so the first series being already available wouldn't matter. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
What does #79 have to do with it. The 1st series of the 1949 Leaf set is skip-numbered to #159. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Matt
That explains it - when you said "(1st series of 49 cards)" I assumed sequential. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I'm not into the....."Rookie card syndrome"....and, I agree that Leaf preceding Bowman by a couple of months is no big deal. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Matt
Agreed that there are other issues that pre-date (by a season+) his Leaf and Bowman issues. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: fkw
I dont believe in the regional issues cant be a rookie theory... |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- I was referring to the 11-card Jackie Robinson set that was issued by Bond Bread. Wasn't that set distributed in Brooklyn only? |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Phil Garry
Here's one from the 11 card Bond Bread set.............. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: barrysloate
Thanks Phil. That was the set I meant. Those cards are pretty tough to find. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
There are actually 13 cards in the 1947 Robinson Bond Bread set and some are impossible to come by. I am one shy of completing the set which I have been working on for well over a decade. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The 1947 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson set (13 cards) is an off-shoot of the 48 card Homogenized Bond Bread issue that I |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: JimB
Thanks to the memories of Ted Z and Peter Thomas, who collected these cards in 1949, we know that the Leafs were not distributed in 1948 and that those copyright dates on some refer to the copyright dates of the photos. Given that they were released in 1949, I would argue that if one does not want to consider regional issues, that either the Bowman or Leaf ought to be considered to be his rookie. I don't think a slightly earlier release date in the same year/same season is significant. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- my recollection is the 13 card set was distributed primarily in African American neighborhoods in Brooklyn, as Jackie became an instant icon. In the 1980's I bought an original hoard from a Brooklyn family, about 8-10 cards, and all but one was the same pose. The one that Phil posted above, I believe, is the easiest pose to find. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: howard
If I am following the thread correctly there are fourteen 1947 Bond Robinson cards (the thirteen card set and his card from the main set). If we discount both the Leaf and Bowman cards is there one particular Bond card that would be considered Robinson's rookie card above the others? |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I will go out on a limb and say the Jackie from this 48 card set is his 1st. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: barrysloate
Okay, food for thought: |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: howard
Sorry if I end up flooding this thread w/questions but I am very intrigued by the Bond sets. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I'd say I favor any of the cards from the regular (48 card) set, simply since they were the very 1st BB cards I collected. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Darren
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Darren
I forgot to post the Swell Sports Thrills robby as well dated 1948. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Joe D.
Both the Leaf and the Bowman were printed and distributed in 1949. boththe rookie cards.If both were printed and distributed in the same year... why would one be considered the rookie and not the other? Now.... which one is the true rookie - and by true rookie, I mean the betterrookie card?I would like to submit the following as evidence (hello Jeff): Exhibit A Checking the PSA Pop Reports.... it seems there is a 1949 Bowman that came from the 'Jackie Robinson Estate' - yet there is no Leaf.... I repeat - no Leaf.... (did I mention Jackie Robinson had a Bowman - but no Leaf?) . So.... Jackie held it dear.... must have considered it his own rookie card - and that is good enough for me. Exhibit B Red is beautiful as noted in the 'I see red people' thread P.S. I am ignoring Ted's and others evidence of the 1947 Bond Bread cards because that information does not support my argument. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: fkw
Howard, the cards were on eBay and no one really bid on them. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: barrysloate
Joe- that 1949 Bowman Jackie is among my favorite post-war cards...but I do think whichever one was released first should be considered the rookie card. You could call the Leaf rookie A and the Bowman rookie B, but I vote for the Leaf. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
So Barry, what you are saying is that Joe's card is a B? That sucks. Darn. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Joe D.
With all due respect to Barry, Ted, Jeff, and others..... |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: barrysloate
Well they are two of the best post-war cards, and among Jackie's best ( I also like the 1952 Topps Jackie). |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Dave Hornish
If a set was distro'd in all of the major league cities at the time and went all the way West to St. Louis, that seems like enough to qualify as national distribution. The '47 H Bond's have a legitimate claim to being rookie cards. Would not the Tip Tops also be in this mix, even though they seem to only include distribution local players in each city? |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Joe, two points: first, everyone knows that Jackie was famously color-blind; in fact, when he saw red it was really yellow and vice versa. Second, it's time you sold me your Bowman Robinson. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
JOE |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Joe D.
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Joe D.
"We don't really know if Jackie Robinson advertently chose his 1949 Bowman card. When the George Moll Agency (that produced the Bowman cards) signed up the players for the rights to portray them in their sets, they would offer them a few $$ and a stack of their cards. I heard this straight from George Moll in a conversation with him in 1981. Sorry, to bust your bubble (gum)." |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
It is more important that Jackie thought enough of this card of his to keep it all those years. And, not what we have to say here. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Ted, Joe's card is the grey -- later -- back. It's so late, in fact, that I think the card was made in 1956. In fact, Joe's card may be Jackie's LAST card. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Joe D.
I will go with 'grey' because Jeff says so. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: howard
Thanks, Ted. As soon as this hectic weekind is over I look forward to reading your thread. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Paul S
Well, here's my '49 Bowman raw Robinson with a back the color of cream aged beyond |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Darren
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Dave Hornish
"DAVE |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: shane Leonard
I would like to know the same thing. I have two sets of the tip top bread cards and have been trying to upgrade these things for 4 years. Not many of these cards exist and if they do they range from GD to VGEX. The Spahn card is the most expensive card in the set. |
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Jackie Robinson Rookie?
Posted By: Steve
The correct answer here is what would Hal have said? |
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