Done buying high end cards

[MULLINS5]

I too am done. Been collecting raw since this mess was discovered and have been having more fun than I've had the past 20 years collecting graded.

The scandal has me honestly feeling like a fool for trusting PSA for as long as I did. I thought I was buying cards that were put under strict grading standards and accepted extremely long turnaround times because of that. I paid their grading prices not just because I thought my cards were put under these standards but ALL OTHERS were as well. I feel cheated (no pun intended Joe) and defrauded. Never, ever again.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I too am done. Been collecting raw since this mess was discovered and have been having more fun than I've had the past 20 years collecting graded.

The scandal has me honestly feeling like a fool for trusting PSA for as long as I did. I thought I was buying cards that were put under strict grading standards and accepted extremely long turnaround times because of that. I paid their grading prices not just because I thought my cards were put under these standards but ALL OTHERS were as well. I feel cheated (no pun intended Joe) and defrauded. Never, ever again.

What amazes me Patrick is that they missed COLOR TOUCH!!! There was a Clemente rookie that Moser actually applied green to the card!!! How in the hell was that missed!?!?!?!?! Not to mention all the trimming.

[RedsFan1941]

I stand with the OP. in fact, I will not throw another pitch for the astros until they meet my salary demands.

[Ronnie73]

I've always preferred a 5 dollar 1952 Topps over a 5 thousand dollar card of the same exact thing.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

I stand with the OP. in fact, I will not throw another pitch for the astros until they meet my salary demands.

What an idiot...Do you realize how stupid you sound?

[orly57]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

What an idiot...Do you realize how stupid you sound?

I would normally say that this comment is out of line, but since it comes from Kevin Mize, I will just say it’s badly off centered.

[MULLINS5]

Has anyone seen the Blowout page where, allegedly, a former PSA employee altered high grade SI Tiger Woods rookies?

[Billy5858]

No...but I believe it 😡

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

Has anyone seen the Blowout page where, allegedly, a former PSA employee altered high grade SI Tiger Woods rookies?

I started a new thread and posted the link but it got moved to the watercooler section.

Here is the link again

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1314067

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by orly57

I would normally say that this comment is out of line, but since it comes from Kevin Mize, I will just say it’s badly off centered.

Another wannabe.... Good luck pal, maybe you and R0nn13 L3hm@n can go out to dinner tonight....

[Johnny630]

[QUOTE=bobbyw8469;1908344]What amazes me Patrick is that they missed COLOR TOUCH!!! There was a Clemente rookie that Moser actually applied green to the card!!! How in the hell was that missed!?!?!?!?! Not to mention all the trimming.[/QUOTE

Cheats, Frauds, Card Doctors, manipulators, And Scams I was basically told to except all this it happens in every industry by another poster on a different thread. Check it out I didn’t know how to respond to it, I believe it was PW cc alive and doing well. So yeah I guess that’s the majority’s opinion on it it, sure as hell isn’t mine. Sucked all the fun out of this.

[defender100]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

What amazes me Patrick is that they missed COLOR TOUCH!!! There was a Clemente rookie that Moser actually applied green to the card!!! How in the hell was that missed!?!?!?!?! Not to mention all the trimming.

The real question is not how they missed it but did they miss it? Stupidity is not as bad as duplicity, even if the results are the same.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by defender100

The real question is not how they missed it but did they miss it? Stupidity is not as bad as duplicity, even if the results are the same.

At this point, I truly wonder if I or some other ordinary collector had sent all these altered cards in, and not PWCC, whether they would have graded. And on another front I am highly skeptical that I or some other ordinary collector would get anywhere near the number of PSA 10s some of these high volume insiders seem to pull.

[Johnny630]

[QUOTE=Peter_Spaeth;1908364]At this point, I truly wonder if I or some other ordinary collector had sent all these altered cards in, and not PWCC, whether they would have graded. And on another front I am highly skeptical that I or some other ordinary collector would get anywhere near the number of PSA 10s some of these high volume insiders seem to pull.[/QUOTE

Agree me too Corruption On Almost Every Level.......I've come to the conclusion, due to the Non PWCC numbers, that the buyers do not care. It's PSA all the way. You can only talk to a brick wall so long.....I don't see this negatively impacting sales.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

At this point, I truly wonder if I or some other ordinary collector had sent all these altered cards in, and not PWCC, whether they would have graded. And on another front I am highly skeptical that I or some other ordinary collector would get anywhere near the number of PSA 10s some of these high volume insiders seem to pull.

Yep...

Dream on, Dream on...

Dream until your dreams come true

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

At this point, I truly wonder if I or some other ordinary collector had sent all these altered cards in, and not PWCC, whether they would have graded. And on another front I am highly skeptical that I or some other ordinary collector would get anywhere near the number of PSA 10s some of these high volume insiders seem to pull.

I've always wondered the same thing. Like, how does it even work? How does 4 Sharp Corners get all these 10's? Do they just send in 5000 count boxes and PSA only grades the 10's? Do they get charged for the cards that don't grade? Then they sell many of these 10's for a couple dollars over what it would cost me to grade them. Is there discount that big? I'd sure like to know how it's done.

[SAllen2556]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I've always wondered the same thing. Like, how does it even work? How does 4 Sharp Corners get all these 10's? Do they just send in 5000 count boxes and PSA only grades the 10's? Do they get charged for the cards that don't grade? Then they sell many of these 10's for a couple dollars over what it would cost me to grade them. Is there discount that big? I'd sure like to know how it's done.

If you were PSA and just starting out wouldn't it make sense to just grade a bunch of cards you got yourself just so you could increase the number of graded cards in the market place? You wouldn't have wanted (or needed) to wait for customers to get your product out there. Because, isn't the goal of PSA to have every card ever made entombed in plastic? I always assumed that's what 4 Sharp Corners was - basically a branch of PSA.

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And on another front I am highly skeptical that I or some other ordinary collector would get anywhere near the number of PSA 10s some of these high volume insiders seem to pull.

I've thought the same thing ever since I got back into collecting in 2006. The auction houses sure seem to be able to get higher grades on the cards they submit. People on the board have suggested many times that they were being given special treatment since they had the largest card submissions. That always struck me as an admission that we all believed the system was rigged against the average collector/submitter.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I too am done. Been collecting raw since this mess was discovered and have been having more fun than I've had the past 20 years collecting graded.

This. A hobby is supposed to be fun. When crime and money suck the fun out of it, time to re-evaluate. I barely looked at a slabbed card at the National this year and it was so much fun to rely on my own assessments, not mention a hell of a lot easier to bring home my cards in mylar sleeves rather than slabs. You almost forget how nice a 33 Goudey looks in hand and not separated from you by a layer of plastic.

[LincolnVT]

I think that it's still safe to buy high grade cards that have solid provenance. But there are only so many of those cards to be had...

Also, wondering if anyone has a timelframe on the cards that are currently in question? Graded in the past year or two, maybe three? Maybe it's safe to still buy high graded cards in older holders?

[Exhibitman]

From what I understand this has been going on for many years. There are no safe cards except the ones you submitted or that were submitted by a trusted colleague. I sent in a lot of cards for PSA and SGC grading pre-2008; I have the records of all of them and if I ever sell out my collection those cards will be presented as such.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by LincolnVT

I think that it's still safe to buy high grade cards that have solid provenance. But there are only so many of those cards to be had...

Also, wondering if anyone has a timelframe on the cards that are currently in question? Graded in the past year or two, maybe three? Maybe it's safe to still buy high graded cards in older holders?

Oh God no many elite card doctors have been on the scene since the early 90s.

[barrysloate]

I think it just might be more lucrative to be a card doctor than a medical doctor.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I think it just might be more lucrative to be a card doctor than a medical doctor.

Ha-Ha!!! With no repurcussions! Medical doctors have to worry about malpractice suits. These guys are performing at will.

[Brian Van Horn]

The polar ends of this hobby that always make shake my head:

1. The cards were made for the most part for kids. Now, unless you were an obsessive-compulsive, most kids flipped, dinged and beat up the cards.

2. The adults who want pristine to bring back memories or satisfy their greed.

These ideas have one incredible chasm between them.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by LincolnVT

I think that it's still safe to buy high grade cards that have solid provenance. But there are only so many of those cards to be had...

Also, wondering if anyone has a timelframe on the cards that are currently in question? Graded in the past year or two, maybe three? Maybe it's safe to still buy high graded cards in older holders?

you mean PWCC doesn't have all the high grade cards ALL THE TIME? The hell you say...NOW YOU KNOW WHY AND WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN COMING FROM. It ain't safe to buy squat period, It is a corrupt and disgusting hobby full of LOSERS. I used to love it, now I hate it. The time frame you seek is for 18-20 years this has been going on with cards constantly being flipped in and out of those stupid holders.

I did buy a $40 card however, going against my Stan Laurels. Yes, folks...even for the haters it's hard to quit.