Antiques Roadshow appraisal 1/3/22 AND 1/24

[ooo-ribay]

I saw this last night. The appraiser was Simeon Lipman who, I believe, is pretty knowledgeable. Anyway, Simeon appraised this 1918 calendar at $20-30,000. That seemed high to me. What do you guys think? I'm also not even sure it's real because the owner said he "got it online for between $200-250"...

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I saw this last night. The appraiser was Simeon Lipman who, I believe, is pretty knowledgeable. Anyway, Simeon appraised this 1918 calendar at $20-30,000. That seemed high to me. What do you guys think? I'm also not even sure it's real because the owner said he "got it online for between $200-250"...

Not so sure it would go for that much either. Usually those kind of prices only start for items that are actually authenticated by a recognized third party. Nothing against Antiques Roadshow (love the show), but have never really seen someone sell something like that based solely on an Antiques Roadshow appraisal. But knowing me, I'm probably wrong. LOL

However, I seem to remember there was a thread on here not too long ago about someone on Ebay selling items similar to what was shown on AR, and I thought the consensus on here was that the item was a fake, or just some fantasy piece. Any possibility this could be the case with this AR item? I'll have to see if I can find the thread.

[murphusa]

1917 calendar with 1918 dates. Some calendars may have January of the next year but not February, He overpaid at $250.00 IMO

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by BobC

However, I seem to remember there was a thread on here not too long ago about someone on Ebay selling items similar to what was shown on AR, and I thought the consensus on here was that the item was a fake, or just some fantasy piece. Any possibility this could be the case with this AR item? I'll have to see if I can find the thread.

The one in Moe's thread was not nearly as well done. I also thought of this thread when I saw the one on AR.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=309794

Originally Posted by murphusa

1917 calendar with 1918 dates. Some calendars may have January of the next year but not February, He overpaid at $250.00 IMO

Hmmmm....hadn't really noticed that.

[Leon]

If it's real that estimate is too high.,

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[Carter08]

I love wasting time watching AR. One thing I’ve never understood is they will say I would expect it to sell at auction for $x but I would put an insurance value on it at $x plus some large amount. I guess it gets into the difference between value and replacement cost or something like that but I’ve always wondered what an insurance company might think of that notion.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Leon

If it's real that estimate is too high.,

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I also believe the estimate is to high

I hope it is real and it would be a great piece in most peoples collections.

However, even being to high if real in a bidding war on a good AH o could see if going for more then we think. Since it is an early Ruth piece.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

The one in Moe's thread was not nearly as well done. I also thought of this thread when I saw the one on AR.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=309794



Hmmmm....hadn't really noticed that.

Thanks Rob, that's the thread I was thinking about. Not the exact same calendar, but still maybe raising questions as to authenticity it seems.

[slidekellyslide]

I met Simeon Lipman at the Antiques Roadshow in Omaha about 20 years ago. He appraised my Old Judge baseball cards.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

I also believe the estimate is to high

I hope it is real and it would be a great piece in most peoples collections.

However, even being to high if real in a bidding war on a good AH o could see if going for more then we think. Since it is an early Ruth piece.

One thing is for sure, you never know! (you can quote me)

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[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by BobC

Thanks Rob, that's the thread I was thinking about. Not the exact same calendar, but still maybe raising questions as to authenticity it seems.

You're from Parma??? Are you old enough to remember late night movies with "Ghoulardi"?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

You're from Parma??? Are you old enough to remember late night movies with "Ghoulardi"?

Heck yeah, you kidding? I even remember Ernie Anderson coming with the old Channel 8 softball team to play an exhibition game at the Valley View (where I grew up) Home Days one Summer in the mid-'60s. Big Chuck was on that team as well, but he was still a camera man then. If you remember where the old Cloverleaf Speedway was, I grew up a little less than a mile south of it right on Canal Road. I literally grew up across the street from the Cuyahoga River and the Ohio Canal, right at the 11 mile lock.

Parma spelled backwards is------------A---M---R---A---P!

Loved watching him every Friday night after the late news. Can still remember him blowing up plastic models with firecrackers live on the air. (Cool it wid-da boom-booms!) And always loved the segments where they'd play Surfin' Bird by the Trashmen.

You originally from around here?

[ooo-ribay]

I grew up north of Columbus but we got Ghoulardi. Wasn’t Parma the butt of his jokes? A Cleveland kid turned me on to RUSH, my first year at Ohio U.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I grew up north of Columbus but we got Ghoulardi. Wasn’t Parma the butt of his jokes? A Cleveland kid turned me on to RUSH, my first year at Ohio U.

Yes he did make fun of Parma, that was the reason for my quoting one of his famous lines on the show, "Parma spelled backwoods is - A M R A P! (And there actually is a street in Parma named Amrap Drive.) He also did a recurring comedy bit on his show called "Parma Place", which was a takeoff on the soap opera "Peyton Place" And it was so well liked, the city and Mayor of Parma contacted the local CBS TV station to have the bit removed from the air, which they did going forward.

But that isn't Parma's only claim to fame. Remember the old "The Drew Carey Show" that was on from the mid-'90s to the early '00s? Well, most people always seem to remember "Cleveland Rocks" as the show's theme song. Truth is, for the very first, and a few other, seasons, the theme song was actually a little ditty called "Moon Over Parma", that Carey actually sang.

And that's a great shout out for Ohio U. (one of the best party schools of all time) and Rush. I actually saw Rush perform on their initial tour in the U.S., promoting their first album, at an iconic Cleveland rock-n-roll club and nite spot, the Agora. Remember sitting at the very back of the room, on top of a table, leaning up against the wall with my bottle of beer in hand, listening to and being blown away by the opening riff from "Working Man". And even then I wasn't more than 40 feet away from Geddy Lee. And it was a Monday night to boot. Good stuff!

[ooo-ribay]

I guess this is turning into the Ohio thread …..

My first concert ever was at the Columbus Agora - Canned Heat! Pretty sure my buddy’s mom dropped us off.

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

I watched that as well and was shocked at that price. He paid $250 for it and another $250 to have it framed like he had it.

I would say there is no way this would sell at that price, but then again, people are paying 6 figures for digital NFT's of all sorts of crap these days so as they say, a fool and his money are soon parted.....lol

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I met Simeon Lipman at the Antiques Roadshow in Omaha about 20 years ago. He appraised my Old Judge baseball cards.

I've traded with Simeon a couple of times, he had some tough Mets minor league cards that I needed.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by murphusa

1917 calendar with 1918 dates. Some calendars may have January of the next year but not February, He overpaid at $250.00 IMO

Yah that seems odd. Does anyone own an old calendar, can you check if it included the next years February?

Also, the current owner said he purchased it 10 years ago. Curious where from. I don't recall this being on the market 10 year ago. I'd like to hear his answer where he got it from.

[Butch7999]

Our immediate reaction, too, on seeing that segment of the show was that the estimate seemed substantially high.
Although it's true, "ya never know at auction -- could go cheap, could go crazy."

Anyway, if it's a fantasy piece, it does look like a lot of convincing work went into making it. And is it unthinkable
that a real piece was made with a 24-page two-year (1917-18) calendar, or that once a single 1917 calendar was
exhausted a new 1918 calendar (from whatever source) might not have been attached as a replacement?

Stupid questions our specialty --

[MVSNYC]

I love AR, been watching it for decades. The other night Simeon appraised a really special complete run of UConn women's rings. The owner works for the team and I believe handles the Coach's travel. Her's is one of 3 complete sets known (including head coach and asst. coach). I thought this was very cool.

[ooo-ribay]

From last night. Seemed high again, to me...

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

From last night. Seemed high again, to me...

Didn't see it, but did the appraiser make any mention or reference to how the value could significantly change were the owner to get them graded by a TPG? They don't often have actual cards on AR, mostly sports memorabilia and such, for which there aren't necessarily any currently published price guides out there, or so it seems to me.

And it is hard to tell the condition of the cards just from the images, but given that they are raw, what do you think of the appraisal, about twice what they would actually go for? Or maybe even a bit less?

[ooo-ribay]

L-R, her guesses at grade were 3.5-4, 5, 4 (I think),

And don’t get me started on TPGing!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

L-R, her guesses at grade were 3.5-4, 5, 4 (I think),

And don’t get me started on TPGing!

Aaaaaahhhhh, so the appraiser did mention and take potential TPG grades into consideration. I'm not going to get you started on TPGs, just wondered how an AR appraiser could possibly ignore TPG grading, and still hope to give people even somewhat reasonable value estimates. And like you, still think the appraisal was way to high, even if TPG graded at her estimates.

By the way, you did say the appraiser was a "her", right? Not trying or intending to be or appear sexist, but I find that to be very odd when you think about how the hobby is so very male oriented.

[ooo-ribay]

^^^^ https://www.isa-appraisers.org/find-...9/leila-dunbar

[ruth-gehrig]

I responded to an online ad regarding a porcelain railroad sign and struck a deal after emailing and then speaking with this elderly gentleman on the phone. He wanted paid with money orders which I sent and once he received them and packed the sign up discovered the fedex shipping was considerably more than he charged me. He called me up and apologized saying he hadnt shipped anything in years and didnt realize the increase in costs. He asked if I wanted to cancel the deal or send him some more money to cover actual shipping costs. I sent him additional money and then I got a call from his daughter and she really apologized for the situation. We chatted for a bit telling her my main interest was antique baseball. She introduced herself as Leila Dunbar. She's a good lady and I've always enjoyed her sports appraisals on the Roadshow.

[drcy]

Dunbar was director of sports auctions at Sotheby's, so she's no slouch.

I had interaction with her once, and found her very pleasant.

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by BobC

Aaaaaahhhhh, so the appraiser did mention and take potential TPG grades into consideration. I'm not going to get you started on TPGs, just wondered how an AR appraiser could possibly ignore TPG grading, and still hope to give people even somewhat reasonable value estimates. And like you, still think the appraisal was way to high, even if TPG graded at her estimates.

By the way, you did say the appraiser was a "her", right? Not trying or intending to be or appear sexist, but I find that to be very odd when you think about how the hobby is so very male oriented.

She is on the show often, & does baseball item appraisals sp all the time.

[BobC]

Thank you all, I did not know that about Ms. Dunbar. Haven't watched new AR episodes in quite a while and was not familiar with her. Still, she appears to be more of an exception than the norm when you think of baseball card experts.