Show...me...your print variations!

[ALR-bishop]

Are there not some issued 1960 cards where some but not all versions of the card insert extend into the border. Not as dramatically as those above though

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

Hi Gang:

Just picked up a big group of 60 Topps proofs/variations. Here are a few

Issued cards to the left.

Photo 1 note the color background on the small inset photo to the left

Second photo top three cards note the the photo on the inset photo extends over the border, the last card, Gonzalez note the blue bottom border extends over logo

Neat find Fred, are the cards to the right blank backed?

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by ejstel

Wow
..so cool to see these!
Was it a find or a special auction?

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Bought in a private sale

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Neat find Fred, are the cards to the right blank backed?

Yes, all the proofs are blank backs

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Are there not some issued 1960 cards where some but not all versions of the card insert extend into the border. Not as dramatically as those above though

Hi Al:

Yes there are released cards with part of the insert photo extending past the border and not. Here is one for example.

Note also the shading difference on the uniform in the insert photo

[ALR-bishop]

Fred --I was aware of the Conley. Can not recall if there are others, need to check my set tonight

Great pick up on the proofs. Not as great as your Handley, but pretty great

[G1911]

Anyone know how many different Conley variations there are with the grey/white shading in his jersey? I own like 4 different and I don't think that's all of them.

[Cliff Bowman]

It looks like a kid had possession of them at the beginning, some are crudely handcut and a couple have the teams crossed out apparently because the players changed teams a year or two later. ETA, I wonder if the same kid got hold of a blue magic marker and wiped out Cincinnati Reds and their team logo on the Tony González card after he was traded from the Reds to the Phillies mid season 1960, the extra blue was crudely done and extends past the border lines.

[Sliphorn]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Are there not some issued 1960 cards where some but not all versions of the card insert extend into the border. Not as dramatically as those above though

Yes there are. I have 85 pairs of these scanned and that may not be all.

[ALR-bishop]

Geez Tom. I am sorry to know that

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

It looks like a kid had possession of them at the beginning, some are crudely handcut and a couple have the teams crossed out apparently because the players changed teams a year or two later. ETA, I wonder if the same kid got hold of a blue magic marker and wiped out Cincinnati Reds and their team logo on the Tony González card after he was traded from the Reds to the Phillies mid season 1960, the extra blue was crudely done and extends past the border lines.

Cliff: These are all blank back proofs. I doubt any kid got a hold of them unless someone from the printer liberated them from the printing plant. Agree they are crudely cut, but the Gonzalez card you note is not hand down rather the extra blue is printed.

[Elberson]

Anybody happen to know the correct name for these back misalignments?[ATTACH][/ATTACH]

[steve B]

Out of register.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Elberson

Anybody happen to know the correct name for these back misalignments?[ATTACH][/ATTACH]

Those are mullets. Business in front, party in the back.

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[Elberson]

I like the mullet better, thanks

[fusorcruiser]

Just started looking at this thread and I need to go through all the pages. A lot of neat stuff posted in here. Wanted to get your thoughts on this one attached. I'm not a print variation hunter but just picked this one up and it is sort of lower grade with the centering, diamond cut, corner touches etc., but I think it still looks pretty cool. I'm assuming that this card was pulled from a pack this way and not damaged from handling over the years. If so, were these types of print errors common in 1973 Let me know what you think. Thanks for your help.

Nolan Ryan 1973.jpg

[ejstel]

The 73 Ryan card has a reasonably common upper right blue bleed...but this one is special "Put you on Ice - Iced Out" SSSSSSSP SuperShort*7Print.

Nice card!

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[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by fusorcruiser

Just started looking at this thread and I need to go through all the pages. A lot of neat stuff posted in here. Wanted to get your thoughts on this one attached. I'm not a print variation hunter but just picked this one up and it is sort of lower grade with the centering, diamond cut, corner touches etc., but I think it still looks pretty cool. I'm assuming that this card was pulled from a pack this way and not damaged from handling over the years. If so, were these types of print errors common in 1973 Let me know what you think. Thanks for your help.

Attachment 501204

Nice find! Yes, these cards with ink runs from 1973 are around, not super common though. Your example shows more than most, IMO.

[fusorcruiser]

Hi ejstel and savedfrommyspokes, Thank you for your comments and the background on these. I like “iced out” too! lol
I'll start watching out for more. Again, thanks.

[ALR-bishop]

The 73 set has a boatload of messed up but fun cards. Plus it may be king of the border breaks. This Carlton has red issues

[ALR-bishop]

[swarmee]

1977 O-Pee-Chee - [Base] #198 - Mickey Vernon, Billy Gardner, Ozzie Virgil, Jim Brewer
Courtesy of COMC.com

Not sure if this is recurring, but I dub this the Hawaiian Islands variation.

[slidekellyslide]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet. The search function for this site is really awful. Anyway all three of my 1966 Koufax cards have the same print defect in the lower left corner, but I'm only seeing a couple in google image searches with this same defect.

[slidekellyslide]

I also noticed this circle of missing black ink on the 1968 Billingham...two of mine have this and I noticed one sold by GM cards just recently with the same defect.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13393562359...p2047675.l2557

[ALR-bishop]

Looks pretty scarce Dan

[Elberson]

Why is this the only snakeskin in the set?

[John1941]

Originally Posted by Elberson

Why is this the only snakeskin in the set?

I've seen other cards from 1967 Topps like that, but with only a small part speckled. So I don't think there's anything special about Jim Owens; it's just an extreme example. Looks kinda cool.

[swarmee]

1965 Topps - [Base] #95 - Bill Mazeroski
Courtesy of COMC.com
Recurring red line on top.

[Kevvyg1026]

Doesn't that mark at the top of Maz usually mean that the card is at the top of a slit? Maz is in column 3 of the row headed by Morgan (16), so if true, this suggests that the Morgan row is at the top of slit B.

That would make the Morgan row, which includes Maz, as one of the four rows in Series 1 that was printed 3x (the other six rows were printed 2x), so Morgan & Maz should be some of the DP cards.

The Morgan row has cards 16, 23, 95, 45, 84, 36, 87, 48, 108, 27, 59.

[Kevvyg1026]

These other images also suggest that the Morgan row is at the top of slit B.

1965_16_T.jpg

1965_23_top.jpg

[ALR-bishop]

Kevvy— you and Cliff share some great insights on how these variants materialize and relate

[Sliphorn]

I found about 60% of these cards have this upper right border break. They are very plentiful. There is someone trying to get $500 for one with a side border break. Too rich for my blood.

[ALR-bishop]

Seller post here sometimes

[4reals]

Bought a bunch of Topps 78 and 79 from a local guy and found some possibly worth noting.

78 Ruhle #456 (varying degrees of slash by bill of cap)
78 Kranepool #49 (black slash next to baseball in upper corner)
78 R. Cleveland #105 (yellow slash on uni sleeve-seems like a more reoccurring item)
78 Lee #295 (partial pink border in upper right-not sure if a corrected variation exists not unlike 65 topps roseboro)
79 Rader #693 (clouds in sky)
79 Bird #664 (partial team banner missing)
79 Zahn #678 (yellow cloud around head)

If anyone has that 68 topps Dodgers Billingham rookie variation (circle in black ink), I would trade any of these for it.








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[swarmee]

Plate scratch on the back of 1965 Topps card #2, down at the bottom over the (C)TCG (recurring):


1965 Topps - [Base] #2 - League Leaders - Bob Clemente, Rico Carty, Hank Aaron
Courtesy of COMC.com

[bswhiten]

Which variation of the 1962 Topps Mantle 318 is the tougher to find? The no “e” in New York 1952 stats or the “e”? A quick search on eBay would say that the with “e” version is harder to find.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Which variation of the 1962 Topps Mantle 318 is the tougher to find? The no “e” in New York 1952 stats or the “e”? A quick search on eBay would say that the with “e” version is harder to find.

That’s a new one on me. The version without the ‘e’ is much more common than the correct version on COMC, and I noticed the ‘e’ wasn’t placed very well on the corrected version.

[G1911]

Not sure if recurring, but this one has 2. The weird angled line in the left black border is present on all copies of the card, I think. The big yellow splotch next to Dalkowski's head I don't think I've seen before. There's also a blue dot next to Bouldin.

Anyone seen or have these 2 defects?

[G1911]

Now that I look at the blown up scan, there are blue dots in 2 of the other green bubbles as well.

The bottom of Dalkowski's green bubble is misshapen but this appears to be present on all cards too.

[ALR-bishop]

[Sliphorn]

Originally Posted by G1911

Not sure if recurring, but this one has 2. The weird angled line in the left black border is present on all copies of the card, I think. The big yellow splotch next to Dalkowski's head I don't think I've seen before. There's also a blue dot next to Bouldin.

Anyone seen or have these 2 defects?

I have it and both these exist on mine. Also, my non-error card has the upper left extra black line as well.

[Sliphorn]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Maybe a card cut from a salesman sample?

Definitely as salesman ample cut out. I got one form a sales guy in 1957 with Frank Robinson and two other guys,

[ALR-bishop]

On the 1962 card 318 that Ben and Cliff discuss above with the missing or messed up e in New York by 1952 stats, is it two print defects, a missing e with a bad correction, or a bad e wiped out on later runs ? Anyone have one with a good e ?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

On the 1962 card 318 that Ben and Cliff discuss above with the missing or messed up e in New York by 1952 stats, is it two print defects, a missing e with a bad correction, or a bad e wiped out on later runs ? Anyone have one with a good e ?

Strictly my opinion, but I believe it is a late run poorly done correction.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Strictly my opinion, but I believe it is a late run poorly done correction.

It looks like that to me too. An easy correction to make poorly, just scratch the "e" into the plate and it's all fixed.

[Elberson]

I Found a weird one….1967 Topps 584 piersai…..first you have the crescent green color in the card number circle and the white touch on the outside

[G1911]

I think pretty much all the 67's can be found with this ink alignment issue. There's a ton of them.

[ALR-bishop]

Agree but when PSA recognized the 61 Fairly with a similar defect as a variation they gave hope that any defect might get recognized, even if by chance 😊

[4reals]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Agree but when PSA recognized the 61 Fairly with a similar defect as a variation they gave hope that any defect might get recognized, even if by chance

With that in mind, just found this 79 topps Dennis Lamp looking through the backs of that lot I purchased.






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[4reals]

#518 can also be found with varying degrees of this in the 79 set.




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