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[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So dealers whose livelihood depends on submitting cards should stop, and they (and their families) should take a major financial hit?

What's the difference, by the way? Selling slabbed card also perpetuates the system, keeps the cycle going.

Regarding the question in bold...

Yes! If they stopped submitting to this particular enterprise, another more ethical competitor would inevitably surface. Sometimes you need to actually take a stand to make things better.

I am sure there were quite a few honest employees at Enron who took a similar financial hit (to name just one other corrupt company). Sometimes temporary setbacks need to happen for the greater good to prevail.

So my answer is a resounding YES.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Regarding the question in bold...

Yes! If they stopped submitting to this particular enterprise, another more ethical competitor would inevitably surface. Sometimes you need to actually take a stand to make things better.

I am sure there were quite a few honest employees at Enron who took a similar financial hit (to name just one other corrupt company). Sometimes temporary setbacks need to happen for the greater good to prevail.

So my answer is a resounding YES.

So honest people and their families should suffer because PSA is incompetent/corrupt? Sorry, I am not with you on this one.

[edhans]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So honest people and their families should suffer because PSA is incompetent/corrupt? Sorry, I am not with you on this one.

If people continue to support them, what incentive do they have to acknowledge their role in the fraud and to address the problems. We are allowing it to be business as usual for them. PSA has essentially thumbed their noses at the hobby. The only way they can be held accountable is to withhold business from them.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by edhans

If people continue to support them, what incentive do they have to acknowledge their role in the fraud and to address the problems. We are allowing it to be business as usual for them. PSA has essentially thumbed their noses at the hobby. The only way they can be held accountable is to withhold business from them.

While I agree...if every member of net54 refused to use PSA...it wouldn't even register with PSA...imo.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by edhans

If people continue to support them, what incentive do they have to acknowledge their role in the fraud and to address the problems. We are allowing it to be business as usual for them. PSA has essentially thumbed their noses at the hobby. The only way they can be held accountable is to withhold business from them.

Regardless of how many dealers, auction houses, or collectors stop sending cards to PSA there will be new dealers/auction houses, and collectors sending cards to them.

PSA will never acknowledge their role in grading tens of thousands of altered cards . Their volume has never been higher.

Why? Money #1 not Hobby. People are convinced cards in their holders are worth more altered or not, doesn’t matter.. How many altered cards reside in collectors collections that have been bought privately or submitted themselves....the possibilities are endless. PSA knows this will blow over....others will take the fall.

I feel what you’re saying.....it makes total sense...this industry has never made sense logic loses out when the perception of money and greed are paramount, that’s all that matters to many...the bottom line.

[RCMcKenzie]

Gene Hackman, Dustin Hoffman, Robert Duvall, Jon Voight..


All I can do is buy the card and not the holder. I guess I could go collect Beatles records or something. Robert

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

If you had to guess, what percentage of collectors do you think actually know about the scandal?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

If you had to guess, what percentage of collectors do you think actually know about the scandal?

well i think a larger percentage know about them that are paying $5000 plus a year versus less....or maybe its a another number but you know what i mean

someone paying at total $400 a year on 7 cards on ebay much less of a chance


but yeah..it all comes down to the buyers......if people stop buying cards in certain holders..thats where the impetus is....not people submitting them or selling them....if no buyers...the rest will take care of itself.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

If you had to guess, what percentage of collectors do you think actually know about the scandal?

Less than 20%