PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Most privately held companies don't survive an FBI investigation. Especially, when they affect a percentage of the market and integrity/trust is a must. Two years or less and PWCC will be gone, regardless of who represents them.

I’ll take the over

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Move over...

You would have to be a complete idiot to hand over your portfolio to anyone! Now move on down cause' it's my turn! BBEEEUUUUUUAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
BBEEEUUUUUUAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ooohhh sh*t ... that was bad ... I'm feeling better now, so don't worry guys ... I ... BBEEEUUUUUUAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[frankbmd]

Tucking all the trimmed assets away in the vault and letting the ownership change hands without the assets ever seeing the light of day seems like a Registryesque business plan to me. It’s a shame the vault wasn’t ready to go before the Blowout boys uncovered a bit of a problem.

If you think the Net54 pitchforks are bad, wait until the Feds storm the Vault.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Wasnt' PWCC selling like investments bonds or something...like give them 10,000 and they give you back 10,000 plus 5 percent or something..i wonder how that is going...sorry i have not checked their website in awhile.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Tucking all the trimmed assets away in the vault and letting the ownership change hands without the assets ever seeing the light of day seems like a Registryesque business plan to me. It’s a shame the vault wasn’t ready to go before the Blowout boys uncovered a bit of a problem.

If you think the Net54 pitchforks are bad, wait until the Feds storm the Vault.

If a tree falls in the forest with nobody to hear, does it make a sound?

If an asset is ensconced in a vault with nobody to view, does it matter if it is altered?

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Mark17

If a tree falls in the forest with nobody to hear, does it make a sound?

If an asset is ensconced in a vault with nobody to view, does it matter if it is altered?

Exactly!

And if Brent sues Joe, it would be handled by divorce attorneys I reckon.

[ullmandds]

I call bullshit on the 24 hour armed security guard !

[BeanTown]

Part of PWCC current marketing campaign is showing an empty office. Wonder who is running their marketing? I hope this is foreshadowing. Two years or less!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I call bullshit on the 24 hour armed security guard !

Fine. There goes my new job.

[Republicaninmass]

Will work for cards

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Wasnt' PWCC selling like investments bonds or something...like give them 10,000 and they give you back 10,000 plus 5 percent or something..i wonder how that is going...sorry i have not checked their website in awhile.

I bet it will be "going" to pay lawyers and refunds...

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by steve B

You're kidding?

20 years ago the company I worked for hosted a hydraulics convention. No decent hotel was available anywhere in the Boston area then for under about 125/night.
We needed a bit of room, so the motel 6 or the more local "Caswell motel" were out.

Not places where you would want to stay ever...

[Johnny630]

I the back of my mind I wouldn’t be surprised if PSA wasn’t off the record taking care of PWCC with all the refunds on bad cards.....maybe not a monetary payback might be something else...at this point I will never trust either company

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Maybe we should talk more about the freaking disgrace of EBAY with these crooks!

That's a given, I thought everyone already knew that e-bay was crooked?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ebay is aware of what's going on. I think it's highly unlikely they take any action.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

When you open your mouth be prepared to get it back. Especially when none of it has anything to do with you.

totally disagree with this argument georgie. It has everything to do with all of us as vested collectors. stop it already with the "what does this have to do with you? It's just about your only argument that is silly.

[BeanTown]

So, the elite group of folks "the gang of 5" who ran up and bought each other cards through PWCC won't be using them in the future, I imagine. Not too mention, all of Moser altered card work won't be fenced/sold through PWCC like in years past. Plus, no more special flip/bump grading from PSA to PWCC will happen now. Its safe to say, its time for a new business plan!

Two years or less! Pwcc will be out of business and using their personal cards for lawyer payments is my prediction.

[Just.Rachel]

Wow, what a great read this thread is!!!

We have a gaggle of crooks, the possibility of a stay in Club Fed, millions of dollars, family bullshit, name-calling, drug kingpins, legal mumbo-jumbo, scams so deep they have piggyback scams on top of them, corporate jerkwads giving their customers the finger...

Wooooooo

I only have one question: does this married lawyer with a girlfriend want another??

Whew, I'm going to need a cold shower now! That was the sexiest Jerry Springer show I ever read!!

PS - I couldn't find the "sarcasm font".

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[taul166]

If any of you are members of Baseball's HOF and receive their periodic publications, you will see that Brent is in a group photo from inside the museum that shows the group cutting the ribbon that opens the new exhibit on baseball cards in Cooperstown.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Just.Rachel

Wow, what a great read this thread is!!!

We have a gaggle of crooks, the possibility of a stay in Club Fed, millions of dollars, family bullshit, name-calling, drug kingpins, legal mumbo-jumbo, scams so deep they have piggyback scams on top of them, corporate jerkwads giving their customers the finger...

Wooooooo

I only have one question: does this married lawyer with a girlfriend want another??

Whew, I'm going to need a cold shower now! That was the sexiest Jerry Springer show I ever read!!

PS - I couldn't find the "sarcasm font".

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Fixed it for you.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Fixed it for you.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by taul166

If any of you are members of Baseball's HOF and receive their periodic publications, you will see that Brent is in a group photo from inside the museum that shows the group cutting the ribbon that opens the new exhibit on baseball cards in Cooperstown.

How many of the cards are altered?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How many of the cards are altered?

If history has shown us anything it would be ALL the ones with the cool little PWCC stickers on them.

[Just.Rachel]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Fixed it for you.

Haha, a Fixer! Tell me you don't work for PWCC...

Nice recoloring job, for sure. PSA prolly wouldn't catch it.

Thanks!

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Just.Rachel

Haha, a Fixer! Tell me you don't work for PWCC...

Nice recoloring job, for sure. PSA prolly wouldn't catch it.

Thanks!

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Not at the moment, it they walk away scott free from this fiasco I might apply for a job there.

[BeanTown]

They are looking!

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

They are looking!

They’re not graders they’re Opinion Givers With lousy Opinions

Never use us, guarantee you won’t get cheated.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

They are looking!

Another bullet point they might want to add to their job posting:

• Willingness to turn a blind eye to altered cards (extra compensation provided)

[oldjudge]

Is this the picture?

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Another bullet point they might want to add to their job posting:

• Willingness to turn a blind eye to altered cards (extra compensation provided)

As long as its submitted in the special holder. Whoops... Enuff said. Don't want to give away the punch line.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Is this the picture?

Regardless of whether or not that's the same picture, it's rather nauseating...

But glad to see he was able to borrow a pair of Moser's scissors for the special event!

Take note, FBI... Exhibit #1

[rdwyer]

Sorry for the language. But it's funny.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Sorry for the language. But it's funny.

I like the graded version without the Topps logo better.

[Just.Rachel]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I like the graded version without the Topps logo better.

Wait...that card is slabbed as altered! Must not be a pwcc sub....

Lol funny stuff, whoever came up with that card. I bet it would sell as an aceo.

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Just.Rachel

Wait...that card is slabbed as altered! Must not be a pwcc sub....

Lol funny stuff, whoever came up with that card. I bet it would sell as an aceo.

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No it has the PWCC sticker on the back.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

At the header of every single page of Net54, IN BOLD...

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Is this the picture?

The only one looking down. That actually says a lot.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by taul166

If any of you are members of Baseball's HOF and receive their periodic publications, you will see that Brent is in a group photo from inside the museum that shows the group cutting the ribbon that opens the new exhibit on baseball cards in Cooperstown.

Desecrating a sacred site.

[BeanTown]

What was the ribbon cutting party for? Were they opening up the Steroid (cheating) section at the Hall?

[Just.Rachel]

Say it ain't so!

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[Republicaninmass]

The ones that were never paid for?

[Buythatcard]

Originally Posted by Just.Rachel

Say it ain't so!

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My understanding of the PWCC vault was that it held cards that were sent in by collectors. So, how can PWCC offer these cards to the HOF to display if they didn't really own these cards?

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

My understanding of the PWCC vault was that it held cards that were sent in by collectors. So, how can PWCC offer these cards to the HOF to display if they didn't really own these cards?

I’m sure they didn’t offer the cards for display without the owner’s knowledge.

[Just.Rachel]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

My understanding of the PWCC vault was that it held cards that were sent in by collectors. So, how can PWCC offer these cards to the HOF to display if they didn't really own these cards?

I'm not sure of the details. I pulled that snip from an article I saw in a quick Google search...found at baseballhall.org and written by Craig Muder.

I should've noted the source in the post with the snip. Sorry.

I'd guess pwcc owns a few cards itself, but I have no clue.

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[CuriousGeorge]

I’m a little confused as to where the line is as to what’s ok and what’s not ok? Trimming and altering is bad. Got it. How about shill bidding? Acceptable or not? He who casts stones....

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

As has been discussed elsewhere. In most places shill bidding in and of itself isn't illegal. The problem is intent and knowledge can make it illegal. Basically if you bid something up but then honor the commitment if you "accidentally" win you're fine. If you conspire with a buddy to run something up, or if you have knowledge of other's max bids and simply force them to max out, then you are breaking the law.

Read Heritage's T&C they actually come right out and state that they reserve the right to shill bid. They don't really have to say it, but, to their credit they do.

21. The Auctioneer, its affiliates, or their employees consign items to be sold in the Auction, and may bid on those lots or any other lots. Auctioneer or affiliates expressly reserve the right to modify any such bids at any time prior to the hammer based upon data made known to the Auctioneer or its affiliates. The Auctioneer may
extend advances, guarantees, or loans to certain consignors.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

As has been discussed elsewhere. In most places shill bidding in and of itself isn't illegal. The problem is intent and knowledge can make it illegal. Basically if you bid something up but then honor the commitment if you "accidentally" win you're fine. If you conspire with a buddy to run something up, or if you have knowledge of other's max bids and simply force them to max out, then you are breaking the law.

Read Heritage's T&C they actually come right out and state that they reserve the right to shill bid. They don't really have to say it, but, to their credit they do.

21. The Auctioneer, its affiliates, or their employees consign items to be sold in the Auction, and may bid on those lots or any other lots. Auctioneer or affiliates expressly reserve the right to modify any such bids at any time prior to the hammer based upon data made known to the Auctioneer or its affiliates. The Auctioneer may
extend advances, guarantees, or loans to certain consignors.

I think Steven's remark was directed at a specific poster, not a request for information.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Ah, sometimes without using the quote feature, it's hard to know.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by taul166

If any of you are members of Baseball's HOF and receive their periodic publications, you will see that Brent is in a group photo from inside the museum that shows the group cutting the ribbon that opens the new exhibit on baseball cards in Cooperstown.

I wonder... are they the same scissors that... Nah, couldn't be!

[steve B]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

They are looking!

Note how they mention productivity twice. And getting it right not at all.