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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: E, Daniel
The last thread was locked before I had opportunity to respond to your posts. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: James Feagin
Nevermind. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: peter chao
Daniel, |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Steve M.
I disagree and have emailed you privately regarding your last post. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: James Feagin
Exactly, and apologizing while casting dispersions on my thoughts is not cool. Reasonable people can disagree, doesn't mean I should be branded a racist when I am anything but. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: John
Good stuff, and point taken. No need to apologize, you have every right to voice your opinion regardless of my take, that’s the whole point. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: E, Daniel
James: "Protected groups can say anything, and if it so happens to cross the line, then no worries, they can simply apologize. Their historic oppression has entitled them to not be responsible for words they may utter. Non-protected groups have to monitor themselves and if they cross the line, there's hell to pay, an NO apology can take it back or make ammends. " |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: John
James on a more serious note, I defended you as father, so in a way I tossed myself on a web grenade for you. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: leon
The last thread needed to be locked, imo. I got the answer I was looking for. Someone has to make the call and I did.....I will let this one go if anyone needs to get anything off their chest....thanks again... |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: James Feagin
Never talk politics or current events with somebody who seems to fly of the handle on a whim. I'm an observant person. I like to use my perceptions and formulate viewpoints about the world based on what I see. That doesn't mean I personally subscribe to those perceptions, but comment on how the the world (aka society) operates. I love media criticism and am fascinated how it molds and shapes public opinion, that is the standpoint from which I speak. For the record though. You have zero idea how I truly behave. You have zero idea what I believe. You have absolutely no idea with whom I associate. You have absolutely, completely and utterly no idea what is in my heart. I deplore injustice, I deplote hypocrisy, and I equally deplore those who don't know how to debate politely or see the other side of an issue. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: John
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: James Feagin
10% is the best I can do John |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: E, Daniel
Fair enough James. But you didn't explain that the words that I have re-posted as your statement, was in fact a media perception to which you yourself do not ascribe. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: JK
Thanks Daniel. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: James Feagin
Daniel, |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: barrysloate
CBS just announced that Don Imus has been fired. Hopefully, that will be the last we hear of him. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: boxingcardman
FWIW, I would always prefer things to be left as open as possible. The Jesika jokes were that; jokes. Whether it was a lame one or not is a question of taste. But to whine to the moderator about a juvenile joke at the expense of someone who came in here with a fake Wagner and did not listen to reason on it, come on, a little maturity please. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Adam is right. What Imus said was wrong and hateful and he deserves what he got. That the charge against him was led by race-baiting frauds is not the point. Wrong is wrong is wrong. Hilariously, CBS and MSNBC didn't believe that his words were wrong enough to fire him until the advertising dollars stopped; suddenly, his words were quite harmful to all right-thinking Americans. Imus will be rehired on another station in due time because it's all about the dollar. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Rhys
I think what James is trying to say is basically this. What Imus said was wrong and stupid. But Black artists and performers say similar and worse things every day and nobody cares. At its core Freedom of Speech only pertains to the Government, but shouldn't a racial comment be a racial comment regardless of who says it or what context or medium it is delivered through? I know James pretty well and he is an intelligent man and if he were racist, he would not be one of my better friends in the hobby (see below). |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: John S
Let me begin again (as I stated in the last thread) that the comments that Imus made were wrong. His comments and subsequent firing will spark many debates and ultimately increase the racial tension in this country. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: James Feagin
"Hilariously, CBS and MSNBC didn't believe that his words were wrong enough to fire him until the advertising dollars stopped"--- |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: E, Daniel
I appreciate what you have written James, and the tone in which it was meant. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: E, Daniel
To your last comment James. Not I. I don't, I won't, and will teach my children to never accept such commentary. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: howard
The comments he made last year regarding all the white athletes in the Olympics were not surprising. Gumbel has made a career of race baiting, first becoming known in the early 70's by denigrating the great and dignified Joe Frazier, as a "white champion in black skin". |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: John
Daniel, |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Cobby33
Intolerance of a certain segment of society based upon their immutable characteristics is much different than intolerance of a certain agenda by a certain segment(s) of soceity being shoved down our throats. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: peter chao
Daniel, |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: barrysloate
I think it's okay for a white educator to ask black students to work harder in school. It's positive reinforcement, and nobody loses. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Anonymous
John love that poster! Just made a big bowl of popcorn for round 2 of this endless debate!!! |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Cobby33
Question: is there a difference between being a compassionate, tolerant, understanding, human being and being politically correct? |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Al S
Wow cobby could it be Sorry John JK has just died a politically correct death! Or did everybody just go to bed! |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Cobby33
Excellent question...Did I miss the change to standard time? |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: peter chao
Cobby, |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: boxingcardman
"what happened to Bryant Gumbel after the comments that he made last year?" |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: leon
In a CBS poll this morning, with about 5000 respondants, it was close to 2-1 that Imus should not have lost his job. Just as I said earlier yesterday, the repercussions were worse than the remark (which of course was wrong)...Hopefully the spiral will continue the way it is, and should be....I hope public outcry gets Imus back on the air soon.....He made a stupid remark.....The conservative, Larry Elder, analogized the remark to a person saying something in a department store toy section. For those that don't know Elder, he really hit the nail squarely on the head on this subject..The punishment should fit the crime...The apology, which did seem sincere, and the 2 week suspension, would have been perfect, imo...regards |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Mike
I wonder how many of the Rutgers team members even knew who Don Imus was, or had ever even heard him speak? I'm guessing none. My wife who is very intelligent, college degree, and the whole bit, had never heard of him. He's just not that important. It was all political. And man, did he hand his enemies an atom bomb. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
Ditto here: I listen to a good portion of talk radio and most of that is split between sports and politics. I had heard of the name Don Imus but had never listened to him on the radio and until this week I could not have picked him out of a lineup... |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Kevin Cummings
I think the whole Imus thing is ludicrous. Sophomoric, locker room humor has been his stock in trade for 20+ years. Despite his relatively recent association with the US political arena, he has remained politically incorrect. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: howard
I have seen Imus' simulcast on MSNBC a few times and I cannot believe how unfunny the show is. Imus says something "outrageous" and all of his well paid sidekicks cackle like they just heard the funniest joke in the world. They also have some guy who does celebrity voices and he is godawful. But still, Imus and his cackling cronies seem ready to bust a gut they laugh so hard. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: barrysloate
Maybe there are no winners here on either side. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: JimB
Daniel, |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Mark Evans
I agree with the comments of Kevin Cummings. In addition, in all selfishness, I think the real losers here are the Imus listeners and viewers. For all his wacky and offensive conduct, Imus has a well-honed skill of disarming his guests to reveal something of their true personalities while engaged in informative discussions of the issues of the day. His was a unique show, refreshing in that it wasn't driven by political agenda. A colorful character who's done much good in his life, I, for one, hope he rebounds from this setback. Mark |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Dan Koteles
these same sponsors support the rappers that say much worse things. This type of rapping is far from the day it started .I grew up hearing (not listening) a hip hop the hebee to the hebee to the hip hip hoppin you done stop rockin to the rhythm of the boogadabee...what you hear is not a test , iam just rapping to the beat......good honest stuff. This rediculous CRAP now days is a total bad influence to all races. It glamorizes wealth w/o education. No respect to many groups and a total embarassment to women. The children are left with an example that gangsta life is allright. If this werent true, why is it that there is more police being killed then anytime ever. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Bob
How long before Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton apologize for their tirade against the Duke 3 now that the truth came out that there was no evidence to even charge the 3? Just curious.... |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Bob, I'm still waiting for Sharpton to apologize to Steve Pagones for accusing him of raping Tawana Brawley. Don't hold your breath. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: barrysloate
Al Sharpton is a clown and I remember the Tawana Brawley incident well. But this Imus thing is not about Sharpton; he's just using it as a free ride. |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: howard
The Tawana Brawley case was small potatoes compared to the Freddie's Fashion Mart incident. In Harlem in the mid-90's a jewish store owner raised the rent of his black sub-tenant. Even though he had done this because his own rent had been raised (by a black church, no less) Sharpton called it an attempt by a rich Jew to drive a small black store out of business. Sharpton organized a massive and lengthy protest against Freddie's Fashion Mart which was the jewish-owned store. Shoppers at Freddie's were harrassed, spit on and occasionally beaten. Some of the protesters were seen to simulate striking a match as if they would burn the store down. Sharpton went on TV several times to whip up the frenzy, at one point saying that they would not stand by while a "brother" was forced out of business by a "white interloper". |
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Sorry John, JK
Posted By: paulstratton
It's kind of ironic how Imus's comments are doing more to bring down the "prison culture" of some rap music than anyone else could have done without his remarks. What he said was idiotic and he deserved what he got, but it brought about a discussion that we all needed to have. |
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