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Posted By: PASJD

OK even as a Sox fan noone is going to touch the Yankees. But for second place can you top the Giants?
C Bresnehan
1b McCovey
2b Frisch
Ss Alvin Dark (?)
3b Matt Williams (?)
Of Mays
Of Ott
Of Bonds
P Mathewson
P Hubbell
P Marichal
P G. Perry
res Bill Terry

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Posted By: Brian H (misunderestimated)

I think the Cubs might be able to contend..... definitely not the Sox:

Cubs (1876-Present – even better if predecessor 1871-1875 NA team included)
C- G Hartnett
1B - Cap Anson
2B - Hornsby (unless he can DH)/Sandberg
SS - Ernie Banks
3B - Santo
OF - Sosa
OF - B. Williams
OF - King Kelly (also some C)
P- J. Clarkson
P- Alexander
P - M. Brown
P - Jenkins
P - C. Griffith or AG Spalding (you have to include the NA or extrapolate his 1876 season)
RP - Sutter (Eck, Wilhelm, Gossage and Smith also played for the Cubs at one time or another)
U - F. Chance
PH - Cuyler
PR - B. Dahlen
PH (runners on base) - Hack Wilson
Other Defensive Subs - H. Duffy, J. Evers, J. Tinker
MGR - F. Chance

ChiSox (1901-Present)
C - Fisk
1B F. Thomas (unless he can DH instead)
2B E.Collins
SS - George S Davis
3B - Weaver/Ventura (no one particularly good available)
OF - J. Jackson
OF - Al Simmons
OF - Dick Allen
P - Walsh
P - Faber
P- Cicotte
P - Lyons
P - Pierce/C. Griffith
RP - Wilhelm (or Thigpen for one season)
U - Minnie Minoso/Luke Appling
PH - Baines (of course)/Ordonez
PR - Raines/Aparicio
Other Defensive Subs - Nellie Fox, Ray Schalk & Kaat
MGR - No one did especially well.... Maybe Gleason, Griffith, Lopez, Fielder Jones or Tony LaRussa ???

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Posted By: warshawlaw

C: Campanella or Piazza
1B: Hodges
2B: Gilliam
SS: Reese
3B: Robinson
LF: Baker
RF: Furillo
CF: Snider
P: Koufax
P: Drysdale
P: Vance
P: Sutton
RP: Gagne

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Posted By: runscott

c - John Edwards
1b - Jeff Bagwell
2b - Joe Morgan
3b - Ken Caminiti
ss - Dickie Thon
lf - Moises Alou
rf - Lance Berkman
cf - Carlos Beltran
p - Roger Clemens
p - Nolan Ryan
p - Randy Johnson

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Posted By: Scottopotamus

I’m confident that my All-Time Padre team could give any team in the majors a run for their money. (OK, maybe not…but they might have a 50/50 shot against an All-Time Devil Ray team.)

C Terry Kennedy
1B Nate Colbert
2B Tim Flannery
SS Ozzie Smith
3B Mike Ivie
OF Gene Richards
OF Dave Winfield
OF Tony Gwynn

SP Randy Jones
SP Ed Whitson
SP Eric Show
SP Dave Dravecky
SP One of the “Andys” (Benes, Ashby, Hawkins)


RP Trevor Hoffman
RP Goose Gossage
RP Mark Davis
RP Rollie Fingers
RP Craig Lefferts


Scottoptamus
My T206 Web Site

http://www.freewebs.com/scottopotamus

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Pirates

c Kendall/Sanguillen/Pena
1b Stargell/Beckley
2b Mazeroski
ss Wagner/Vaughan
3b Traynor
rf Clemente
cf Carey/L Waner/Bonds
lf Paul Waner/Kiner

Camnitz
Adams
Cooper
Phillippe
Galvin
Leever
Friend
Face
Tekulve
Law

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Posted By: Mark

The Orioles might be second best:

C Wilbert Robinson
1B Eddie Murray
2B Bobby Grich
3B Brooks (no last name needed)
SS Cal Ripken
OF Frank Robinson
OF Willie Keeler
OF Don Baylor
P Jim Palmer
P Dave McNally
P Mike Mussina
P Mike Cuellar

Okay, technically I am mixing two franchises, but they all did play in Baltimore, and were Orioles. On the bench we have Lee May, Rafael Palmeiro, Miguel Tejada, Luis Aparicio, John McGraw, Hugh Jennings, and, as very temporary Orioles, Reggie Jackson and Robin Roberts.

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Posted By: runscott

The oldest franchise. Yes, you can actually have Spalding pitching to Javey Lopez and Jim O'Rourke backing up Hank Aaron. Spalding left the team after 1875, so technically he didn't play with them after they joined the National League.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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Posted By: Greg Ecklund

C: Mickey Cochrane
1B: Jimmie Foxx
2B: Eddie Collins
SS: Miguel Tejada
3B: Frank Baker
OF: Rickey Henderson
OF: Al Simmons
OF: Reggie Jackson

SP: Lefty Grove
SP: Chief Bender
SP: Rube Waddell
SP: Eddie Plank
SP: Catfish Hunter

RP: Dennis Eckersley
RP: Rollie Fingers

Manager: Connie Mack
Coaches: Tony LaRussa, Dick Williams

Bench: Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, Napoleon Lajoie, Sal Bando

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Posted By: qualitycards.com

GREG - That A's team is impressive.
15 Hall of Famers, incl all starters & relievers and even the manager + Mcgwire & Henderson are not eligible yet.

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Posted By: runscott

Simmons and Henderson would be fighting over who was the greatest.

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Here's my all-time team from the Cuban League, the Santa Clara Leopardos.



In spite of only being in the league for 11 seasons, this team would compete with any all-time Major League team including the Yankees.

There are 7 HOFers and another 3 with realistic chances to get in (Suttles, Marcelle, R. Brown). Maybe Bankhead, too. Here's the team:

C – Josh Gibson
1b – Mule Suttles
2b – Frank Warfield
3b – Oliver “Ghost” Marcelle
SS – Willie Wells
OF – Oscar Charleston
OF – Turkey Stearnes
OF – Alejandro Oms
RHP – Satchel Paige
RHP – Martin Dihigo
RHP – Hilton Smith
RHP – Raymond Brown
LHP – Dave Brown
LHP – Luis Tiant, (Sr.)
LHP – Lazaro Salazar
LHP – Cocaina Garcia
U – Sam Bankhead


-Ryan

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Posted By: Pcelli60

You well could have mentioned for the Giants at the top of this post..
Larry Doyle 2B
Art Fletcher SS
Travis Jackson SS
Art Devlin 3B

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Posted By: Greg Ecklund

Scott,
Don't forget about Reggie in there too...I don't know if that outfield would be big enough to hold all those egos.

That team would certainly have clashes, but I think the A's of the 1970's proved that you don't need team chemistry (at least off the field) to win.

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Posted By: Pcelli60

Tejada over campaneris or Jack Barry?

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Posted By: Chris B.

1B McGwire
2B Hornsby
3B Rolen
SS O. Smith
C T. Simmons
OF Brock
OF Pujols
OF Musial
SP G.C. Alexander
SP B. Gibson
SP S Carlton
SP D. Dean
RP B. Sutter
Util. F Frisch

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Tejada seems like an obvious choice over Barry who played just 900 games and hit 250 with 350 rbi's with the A's. Him and Campaneris are much closer, Campy did have alot more service time with the A's,but Tejada had approx 70 more rbi's in 800 less games with the team so its hard to argue that choice

I would definitely choose Eddie Joost and possibly the immortal Chick Halloway over Barry for A's shortstops

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Posted By: Pcelli60

Count some championships..Gee whiz...

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Posted By: runscott

There was a debate on the radio this weekend - who's the better catcher, Bench or Rodriguez? Bench hit HR's when they meant just a little bit more.

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Posted By: Pcelli60

I have a real problem NOT seperating the Giants and Dodgers east from west..
My NY Giants roster. Sorry 20th Century only!!
Terry
Kelly
L. Doyle
Frish
Fletcher
T. Jackson
Bancroft
Devlin
Mays
Ott
Youngs
Donlin
Moore
Irvin
Bresnahan
Meyers
Mathewson
Wiltse
Marquard
Tesreau
McGinnity
Hubble
Nehf
And of course Mr. McGraw..

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Posted By: TBob

Pitchers- Walter Johnson HOF
Bert Blyleven Should be HOF
Jim Kaat
1B- David Ortiz
2b- Rod Carew HOF
ss- Joe Cronin HOF
3b- Harmon Killebrew HOF
rf- Tony Oliva Should be HOF
cf- Kirby Puckett HOF
lf- Goose Goslin HOF
c- Earl Battey
DH- Heinie Manush HOF
Sam Rice HOF

I could have added these Twins players at the end of their careers: Paul Molitor HOF, Steve Carlton HOF, Jack Morris should be HOF, Dave Winfield HOF.

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Posted By: Greg Ecklund

Campaneris would be a great choice for A's shortstop as well - he definitely beats out Tejada in versatility and speed, but Tejada's last couple years with the A's put him over the top for me. You can't really go wrong with either.

Jack Barry is up there, but not in the same league as Campy or Tejada.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Adam, surely you stick Robinson at 2B (or Davey Lopes) and stick in Ron Cey or Beltre (I know, I know, but he did have the one greatest year an NL third baseman ever had) at third.

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Posted By: steve k

I know my Phillies certainly aren't 2nd best. Actually if you included all the players who played for the Phils when they were washed up - then this Phils team could technically be 2nd best, but I think the spirit of the question should be listing players who played in their prime for the listed team. For example, Willie Mays really shouldn't be placed on an all time Mets team. So the Phillies aren't 2nd best - not yet anyway :)

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Posted By: Brian H (misunderestimated)

Really the Yankees aren’t that much stronger than these other teams (except maybe in terms of depth and the Outfield); the Pitching isn’t really that great although they have a few marginal HOFers I didn’t list like Combs, Pennock, Chesbro and Hoyt.

C YOGI/Bill Dickey
1B Gehrig
2B Lazerri
3B HR Baker/AROD
SS Jeter (Scooter ?)
OF Babe
OF Mantle
OF DiMaggio
P Ford
P Gomez
P Clemens
P Hunter/Guidry
RP Rivera/Gossage
PHs: Keeler/Reggie/Bernie Williams/Mattingly/Maris/Munson/Boggs/Nettles/Ruffing
MGR - Huggins/McCarthy/Stengel/Torre (all won multiple WSs)

Actually the Sox (Red) might be able to beat the Giants, Cubs and A's (but probably not the Yankees)

C Fisk
1B Jimmy Foxx
2b Bobby Doerr
3B Jimmy Collins/Boggs
SS Cronin/ Nomah
OF Ted Williams (DH ?)
OF Yaz
OF Speaker
P Cy Young
P Clemens
P Grove
P Ruth (no need for a DH)/Pedro/Smokey Joe Wood
RP Lee Smith/Sparky Lyle/Keith Foulke
U Harry Hooper/D. DiMaggio (Strong Defensive Subs)
PH/DH Manny Ramirez/Conigliaro/Ortiz/Lynn/Rice
MGR - Jimmy Collins/Carrigan/Terry Francona (all won the WS)

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Posted By: Julie

with these teams, when 3 of us had all-time teams with both Mays and Anson. Neva happen...

Why are these teams so much more interesting than the all-time? Something about the unity of a team, even over the years, maybe..the As, Giants and Cubs particularly impressive....

How about Chavez on the As?

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Posted By: runscott

The "Glory of Their Times" c.d. has a story about a NY Giants team that was basically the same as the pennant winners, but sunk to the bottom because their wives were fighting in the stands.