Ebay question on what constitutes a complete set.

[Flintboy]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Did your listing include the total number of cards? If so, then that should end the conversation.

It didn’t, I just stated “complete set”.

If I bought an 84 or an 82 Topps set I wouldn’t think the traded series was included. I feel that those are completely separate, just as with the 74.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Flintboy

It didn’t, I just stated “complete set”.

If I bought an 84 or an 82 Topps set I wouldn’t think the traded series was included. I feel that those are completely separate, just as with the 74.

Yeah, but those sets weren't included in packs or factory base sets like the 74 traded were.

I do agree they are separate but it's not COMPLETELY ridiculous to expect them.

FWIW, I just looked through ebay listings. Couple dozen set listings. All but 1 specified the number of cards and/or whether the traded set was included.

[tonyo]

I consider the 660 card set to be complete

the 2011 scd sport americana standard catalog lists them separately and indicates that a 1974 complete set is 660 cards

if you google "1974 topps set" the links seem to exclusively indicate the set is complete at 660 cards

seems most accepted collecting terminology would use the term "master set" to include the traded and checklists. I'd go with Al's (ALR-bishop) opinion on that.


that being said, unfortunately if the buyer wants a return, ebay will ultimately (if not quickly) side with the buyer.

[Jim65]

This is just a difference of opinion, there is no right answer. My opinion is the Traded are part of a complete set.

1. They look like regular cards, except for the traded banner and use the same card numbers as the original, with a added T.

2. They were issued in packs, not sold as a separate set like 1980's Traded sets.

3. When Topps issued complete factory sets for Christmas, the Traded cards were included.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Jim65

This is just a difference of opinion, there is no right answer. My opinion is the Traded are part of a complete set.

1. They look like regular cards, except for the traded banner and use the same card numbers as the original, with a added T.

2. They were issued in packs, not sold as a separate set like 1980's Traded sets.

3. When Topps issued complete factory sets for Christmas, the Traded cards were included.

can't argue with the "difference of opinion" part and point number 3 is what I'd hang my hat on if I were the buyer. However, I'm a bit OCD and for me, point #1 would almost over-rule point #3 since the added T's don't feel like a numerical sequence to me..... now if they add .1 to the numbers, different story

But I do now agree with you, ultimately it does seem there is enough evidence on both sides to render it a differnce of opinion


regardless, if the buyer wants a refund, there's probably nothing the seller can do about it.

[Buythatcard]

I thought that the 74 Topps Traded set were considered inserts to the 74 Set. I don't consider that part of the regular set.

Many sets included inserts but none are considered part of the regular set.

So, if I sell the 1964 Topps set, does that mean I have to include the insert coins as part of the set? i don't think so.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

I thought that the 74 Topps Traded set were considered inserts to the 74 Set. I don't consider that part of the regular set.

Many sets included inserts but none are considered part of the regular set.

So, if I sell the 1964 Topps set, does that mean I have to include the insert coins as part of the set? i don't think so.

this.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

I thought that the 74 Topps Traded set were considered inserts to the 74 Set. I don't consider that part of the regular set.

Many sets included inserts but none are considered part of the regular set.

So, if I sell the 1964 Topps set, does that mean I have to include the insert coins as part of the set? i don't think so.

The coins are obviously different as are posters, story booklets, game pieces, stickers, etc. They look nothing like the original cards and aren't meant to update a players original card in the set.

[TedWill1939]

In a fair world, if the seller doesn't provide clear info like card count and the buyer doesn't ask, you get what you get. It should really be the buyers onus to ask questions before purchase if seller misrepresents the item that is a legit gripe.

If it was me I would tell the buyer to send it back if unhappy, they usually don't.