1894 Prospect Park Program - Brooklyn Dodgers Schedule

[joedawolf]

I have an original 1894 Prospect Park Concerts schedule booklet. That was the first year the park opened and the Brooklyn Dodgers played their games at the park. This booklet includes the 1894 Brooklyn Dodges schedule. The booklet is in very good condition - except for the back cover, which shows some damage.

I have included some photos and was wondering what the booklet is worth. Thanks for your help.

[prewarsports]

Without photos inside the book I would guess the value to be in the $75-125 range for a Brooklyn collector as is. If you could soak the paper off the back to make it in better condition I think it would be in the $100-$200 range to the right person. Just my opinion but I think it would have a pretty good appeal to a Brooklyn Collector.

Rhys

[joedawolf]

It was bought at auction in the 1970's for $400 - thought it would be worth more than double that by now.

[prewarsports]

It might be worth more, you never know. That was just my opinion but I will admit I have never seen one before.

[sayhey24]

I would agree with Rhys, right around 100 dollars. Of course, all it takes is two
collectors who really want it, and it could go for double that.

Greg

We are collectors of early Brooklyn items and have Brooklyn Federal Programs plus a few early Brooklyn NL programs

Programs in general have maintained a steady price for the past 5 years, and the more common early programs are about 50% of what they were at
the market's peak- around 1999-2000

We were wondering if the program has any player photos or biographies
of players.

We,like the others believe that the program is worth less than you paid,
however, depending on condition, we would pay between $200-250


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

[joedawolf]

Thanks for all your input - I was offered $600 from a private collector, unless someone is interested at a higher price, I guess I will sell it at that price.

[slidekellyslide]

$600 for a parks program with a Brooklyn baseball schedule in it?

[joedawolf]

Correct. It was 1894, the first year the park was open

[barrysloate]

Joe- if you are looking to sell it I would take the $600 offer. It would likely sell for quite a bit less in a baseball memorabilia auction.

[ibuysportsephemera]

I also collect Brooklyn baseball items, and would not be interested at anything over $100 to $150. JMO.

[joedawolf]

I was already offered $600, but if anyone is interested at $700, I will sell it at that price. Thanks.

[Comiskey]

You were offered $600 and now you list it on the BST for $700? I don't get it.........

Jeff

[joedawolf]

I was offered $600 from someone else - I thought the offer was low. If someone is interested at $700, I will sell it now. Thanks.

[Comiskey]

I assumed that the offer was pretty good considering that Barry and others thought it was worth maybe $150-250, but what do I know, I don't even collect these type of things. Besides it's your piece you can advertise, excuse me, sell it how ever you want.

Jeff

[joedawolf]

Jeff,

Thanks for your input. I think the value is greater for a Brooklyn Dodger fan - this is pretty rare and in good condition.

[Comiskey]

Sounds good!

Jeff

[slidekellyslide]

It's rare and in good condition, but you should take the $600 offer. It's only tangentially baseball related.

[joedawolf]

Thanks for the suggestion - if I don't get a better offer, I will sell it to the person who offered me the $600 first. However, I would like to give it a little longer - I'm not in a rush and since two people have already offered $600, there may be others interested as well.

[slidekellyslide]

You'd have a hard time getting $200 for that in a house auction or even on ebay...I find it hard to believe that two people reading Net54 have offered $600 for that. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I think you're trying to drum up unreasonable offers by making that claim.

Check this auction by REA where two actual Brooklyn baseball team programs from 1889 and 1890 sold for a little over $1,000 for the pair.

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2006/671.html

[joedawolf]

One offer was not on this forum. If you read the thread, you will see the other offer.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by joedawolf

One offer was not on this forum. If you read the thread, you will see the other offer.

Joe,
I know nothing about these programs. Given this, I have no comment on it's value, but I don't see any offer, of any amount, in the thread.
If your comment above refers to Barry's response
"Joe- if you are looking to sell it I would take the $600 offer. It would likely sell for quite a bit less in a baseball memorabilia auction."
I think he was giving you the advice that if he were you, he would sell the book for $600. I can't speak for him, but that's my read of it.
If this isn't what you are referring to, then I don't see it.
Mark

[joedawolf]

I guess I mis-read it as an offer. In any case, I have an offer at $600 (from a private collector - not on this board), and if anyone is interested at a higher value, I would sell it here. I am not looking to make up any numbers.

Thank you for pointing that out.

[barrysloate]

Joe- it wasn't an offer...I was telling you to take the $600 from the person who made it. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm with the group that believes that your program is only worth a couple of hundred dollars at best.

[joedawolf]

Thanks

[Potomac Yank]

Originally Posted by joedawolf

I have included some photos and was wondering what the booklet is worth. Thanks for your help.

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All he wants to know is ..... How Much?

[Jim VB]

Perhaps he thought the Dorskind Group offer was $200-$250 PER associate?

[Comiskey]

The funny part is that he did this with another item a little while back. Here is the link:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=112013

In that thread he ask "what's it worth" then just so happens to sell it a little later. The problem that I have with this thread, is that he came on here "asking advice," then to give it further advertising, states that someone offered him $600!!!! dollars for an item that people on the board with a lot of credibility in the sports memorabilia world, said is worth maybe $100-200 bucks.

Come on buddy, I know we are just baseball collectors, but really....

[joedawolf]

Someone on this message board bought that last item. He has been writing on this thread and can attest to that.

If I knew the value, I wouldn't ask - I thought it was OK to ask.

[joedawolf]

Is there any way to end this thread? I thought it was OK to ask questions, I'm not looking to get into any arguments - appreciate all the input on this.

[prewarsports]

Hi

I wanted to vouch for Judy (the person who started this thread). I have bought a few things from her in the past few years and she is honest and trustworthy. She is an antiqe dealer and not sports so maybe the program is worth more to a non-baseball person. I was the first person to offer her advice so I feel like maybe I might be responsible for some of the posts afterwards that have become a little personal so I would just like to say that I think we should cut her some slack as a non-baseball person and move on to other topics.

Respectfully

Rhys Yeakley

[Comiskey]

Sounds good moving on, I am the first person who will apologize if I am in the wrong.

Sorry Judy, I thought you were just hyping up your program, good luck with it.

Jeff

[barrysloate]

If your name is Judy, sorry I called you Joe.

[Potomac Yank]

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[Potomac Yank]

Is still a Hustle. .....

[baseball tourist]

My lovely wife and I just "inherited" a trunk full of old paper keepsakes from NY state...all the contents dating from the 1850's to approx. 1913. Hundreds of pieces, mostly theater programs and World's Fair/Expo guides, maps and loose paper clippings etc. Very little sports and almost no baseball (perhaps 3 items in all mention the game)...and after 5 hours of rummaging through it I came across an almost identical Prospect Park booklet, also from 1894, but a different printing as it includes a schedule of August 4th-10th games. No baseball images in this one either, but the condition looks to be good. Sorry about the pics (cell phone).

This will be made available for sale shortly with several hundred other pieces of old paper. While no other baseball items to mention, there is an 1883 Brooklyn Bridge opening event invitation and program, a Lincoln campaign broadside, etc.

[barrysloate]

Hi Chris- great find! Since I live down the street from the Brooklyn Bridge, if you decide to sell the 1883 program I would be interested. Regards, Barry

[baseball tourist]

Thanks Barry,

The program and invite will be for sale soon and I will let you know. The program is rather plain, while the large format invite really stands out. I have seen the invite go for $2,500 and the invite and the program together go for $2,400.

[baseball tourist]

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

We are collectors of early Brooklyn items and have Brooklyn Federal Programs plus a few early Brooklyn NL programs

Programs in general have maintained a steady price for the past 5 years, and the more common early programs are about 50% of what they were at
the market's peak- around 1999-2000

We were wondering if the program has any player photos or biographies
of players.

We,like the others believe that the program is worth less than you paid,
however, depending on condition, we would pay between $200-250


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

Hi Bruce...if interested in mine, I would be pleased to sell at the low end of your range. chris

[barrysloate]

Hi Chris- forgot about this thread and just saw you responded to me last week. Didn't know that program sold for that much. I would have to give it some thought. But thanks for getting back.

[Leon]

I was just re-reading this thread and have a thought about asking a value and selling on the main forum(s). I don't think it's a bad thing to ask a value of an uncommon item on the main board, even if you are planning on selling the item. How are we supposed to know what to price it at when we go to sell it or what a fair value is? That being said there really is a fine line here.

Sometimes I, myself, need to ask the value of something I am going to sell. I usually will try to do it in a way that is not "in your face" selling on the front page. I think if we are cognizant of what we are doing then we can state our needs and be fine and dandy. Just don't go overboard on selling on the main forums and all will be ok. If it gets out of hand you will probably get your question moved to the BST area or a polite private, or public, comment. I get quite a few PM's asking about these types of issues and am always glad to try to help. We (us collectors) are here to help each other and at the same time us (moderators) try to keep some sort of organization for the board. It's really been very tame lately and that is appreciated. Happy collecting....

[baseball tourist]

Understood..thanks Leon! chris

[barrysloate]

Hey Leon- I am a party to this too. Sorry and I agree I should have PMed Chris.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Hey Leon- I am a party to this too. Sorry and I agree I should have PMed Chris.

Hey Barry
No, I don't think your response was out of line at all. I think it's quite ok that, while discussing stuff, we can ask if it's for sale and so forth. I do it too. We are collectors (and friendly flippers) and family here. What I really frown upon is blatant selling on the front page with no other questions being asked. This whole thread, from the original poster, to the last post, was ok imho.....I am easy!! Now, if someone came on the front page and said

FOR SALE- 1910 Program in great condition etc...........

That would get moved to the BST section. As I said I think it's a fine line and I don't see it crossed too often. For the most part our members are pretty darned good about this stuff. Some new members get a little fouled up but they mean no harm either. take care (btw, just put the check in the mail today, instead of yesterday...sorry for the day delay)

[barrysloate]

Fair enough. But I was the one who told Chris I was interested in the Brooklyn Bridge program, and I could have emailed him first. No big deal, as you say.

[baseballart]

Originally Posted by Leon

...What I really frown upon is blatant selling on the front page with no other questions being asked. This whole thread, from the original poster, to the last post, was ok imho.....I am easy!! Now, if someone came on the front page and said

FOR SALE- 1910 Program in great condition etc...........

That would get moved to the BST section. As I said I think it's a fine line and I don't see it crossed too often....

Leon

It's not clear to me when solicitations became off limits on the Memorabilia side. We've always been a lot less concerned on this side about that, and there still isn't the traffic that there is on the card side to have such posts cluttering te forum. Maybe I missed something.

We've had a separate B/S/T thread in the memorabilia forum for as long as I can remember; here's a link to January's

I actually find the posts "I just got this and would like to know its value" far more deserving of your frown, as in the vast majority of such cases, the poster is actively soliciting offers without going to the B/S/T

Max

[Leon]

Originally Posted by baseballart

Leon

It's not clear to me when solicitations became off limits on the Memorabilia side. We've always been a lot less concerned on this side about that, and there still isn't the traffic that there is on the card side to have such posts cluttering te forum. Maybe I missed something.

We've had a separate B/S/T thread in the memorabilia forum for as long as I can remember; here's a link to January's

I actually find the posts "I just got this and would like to know its value" far more deserving of your frown, as in the vast majority of such cases, the poster is actively soliciting offers without going to the B/S/T

Max

Good point Max. You are absolutely correct. When the memorabilia side got made I said I would leave it up to you guys. So that is what I will do(and have done). I guess I was more thinking of the card main forum when I wrote the above statement, as I have asked for values on things I am going to sell. So, you guys let me know if there is something you don't like, otherwise I will stay out of it, as I have. Thanks for reminding me.....As I said before, I am getting old.

[baseballart]

Leon

I think we're all actually still 12

[Leon]

Max- you know what they say!! I don't like getting older but the alternative is worse.