Newbie with a jersey auto question

[dogmechanic]

I put a Mantle jersey up here and it got shot down which is ok. The question I have is don't you think someone's sig would look different on one of those wool jerseys than on a picture or a ball. At shows you will see signers be real careful signing one of the old wool cooperstown jerseys. With the new smooth synthetic fiber jerseys it is different ,but the signer still is real careful. Jerseys are definitely harder to sign. Whadaya think . Signing those old wool jerseys the marker does not slide like it does on a ball or a photo. Gotta "dig in". Stretch it out

[Mr. Zipper]

I think you may be engaged in wishful thinking.

A wool jersey isn't going to turn a real Mantle signature into a known and documented forgery style.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

I think you may be engaged in wishful thinking.

A wool jersey isn't going to turn a real Mantle signature into a known and documented forgery style.

Ditto. I was thinking the same thing, Mr. Zipper.

[isaac2004]

There is a difference between signing carefully on an old Jersey and drawing a signature on an old jersey

[dogmechanic]

Forget about the Mantle jersey. I wish I would have never mentioned it.That's not what this is about. That's over.
I am asking this question about signing on different surfaces,ie wool jersey, golf ball,etc. It has to change the signature some. Degree of difficulty goes up. Please forget the Mantle. That's past tense. Live for today not yesterday.Please reply.

[shelly]

Show us what you are talking about.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by isaac2004

There is a difference between signing carefully on an old Jersey and drawing a signature on an old jersey

I am sorry. I have no idea what that means.Signing and drawing. Isaac you have taken things to a new level. Signing drawing please explain. If not for me but for anyone else that might wonder what you are talking about. Please show examples.

[isaac2004]

Originally Posted by shelly

I am sorry. I have no idea what that means.Signing and drawing. Isaac you have taken things to a new level. Signing drawing please explain. If not for me but for anyone else that might wonder what you are talking about. Please show examples.

Signing is what we all do every day, elegant flow of pen and paper, with all it's nuances, great depth and flaws. Drawing is seeing something and trying to replicate it with your eyes when a pen is your medium..

Mke sense

[shelly]

A good forger does exactly what the player would do. When it come to Wool Jerseys a lot of players could not sign them because the pen did not flow like it would l on the modern day pieces. Hence you would have a great deal of bleeding. Joe D had a signing for a limited edition Jersey. Most of them where garbage because he could not sign them well. I think he should have made a drawing instead. Just ask Jerry Remalt what that signing cost him. Joe walked.
The two best I ever saw sign where Williams and Mantle most of the older players hated signing them because they had to hesitate to keep the jersey flat and not let the pen sit to long. I am not sure how many players are Picasso or Chagall but I am sure that if the two of them had to sign a jersey they would not draw there names.

Isaac just tell me how many times have you watched a players sign jersey? Not the modern day but the old Mitchell and Ness.

[dogmechanic]

Shelly thank you so much. I collect mostly jerseys and what you said was what I was talking about. You hit the nail on the head. Very well put and I believe everything you said. thank you very much.This isn't your first rodeo. I owe you one Shelly

[Duluth Eskimo]

I used to have an account with M&N before it was cool and used to get a bunch of jerseys signed. If you spread the jersey out and held it tight, the item was easy to sign for players and it turned out perfectly. No difference in signature. Anyone who got Joe D in person knows how he could pretty much ruin any item if given the opportunity. Seems funnier now than it was then. The others guys are right on the money with the forged Mantle jersey talk. Hope this helps explain jerseys sigs.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I used to have an account with M&N before it was cool and used to get a bunch of jerseys signed. If you spread the jersey out and held it tight, the item was easy to sign for players and it turned out perfectly. No difference in signature. Anyone who got Joe D in person knows how he could pretty much ruin any item if given the opportunity. Seems funnier now than it was then. The others guys are right on the money with the forged Mantle jersey talk. Hope this helps explain jerseys sigs.

If that is a fact please tell me what happened with the jerseys now on Ebay Skips, bleeding. How many items do you think went to waste. 350552416429.300855577797,80190974271,160952016891 ,281058955902 ,28105895590.I have no idea how many people you have watched sign a wool jersey. Joe D, Mantle, Williams, Mays, you name them. Hold it down if the pen they are signing with has just a drop to much ink, ruined if they hesitate no forgiveness.
If any one on this site can tell me that when they had Joe D. sign anything for them that the what he signed was not anything but perfect I would be amazed. He might have been an awful person but when it came to him to sign it was one of the best autographs you could get. I know he would not sign certain items but I never hear of ruining something just to be mean. I would also like to say that I do not think there is a person on this site every had Joe sign a Jersey just for you. Jason, please explain the the Ebay items I listed. Do you think they wanted that to happen?
You had an account with a Jersey company. I have no idea what that has to do with this subject. Here is a test for you or anyone out there. Just take a piece of wool do what ever you think will work so that you can sign it. Take any type of pen that you think will work and sign your name ten times.For the fun of it post your results.
When your doing this think of what a real jersey will cost.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Not sure why you are being argumentative, but I have had many M&N jerseys signed before they started charging big bucks for jerseys. I never had DiMaggio sign a jersey, but I have had him sign at least 100 other items in person. He did try to give a nice signature, but he could care less where you ask him to sign or any special requests. The last time I had him sign was at a national pastime show and paid $50 per flat and $200 per ball. $50 was a lot of money for me so anything but accommodating my request was less than helpful. Maybe you high rollers feel lucky to have DiMaggio do as he pleases with your special itemBuford for me it just proved his disdain for our hobby even as he kept cashing the check.

As for someone else's jerseys, I cannot speak for their stupidity. When my cost on the jersey was between $90-120 I would think it out before ruining an item if I could. Personally I never had a jersey get damaged.

I love the fact how people demand "know it all" status on this board and wonder why people are intimidated to throw a comment out on an item. People may view this board a lot, but I don't see many people jumping in the mix only to get hammered by the same 10 people on this board. It's sad that this hobby continues to function like this.

[shelly]

I did not hammer you. I was saying what I felt. You might have had great success but I know a lot of people that spent a lot of money and had it go down the drain. I appreciate your opinion but I am also am allowed to have mine.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Your whole post was to attempt to put me on blast and encourage others to join in. I don't know why you do this, but it's a common theme

[shelly]

Now who is trying to start something. My opinion is mine and yours is yours have a nice day

[ATP]

I too will jump out there and say that yes everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the argumentative nature gets tiresome, especially when it is against some newer members on a regular basis. I, like I am sure many others, have knowledge to share but will many times not comment as I don't like the drama.

[clutch]

Originally Posted by ATP

I too will jump out there and say that yes everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the argumentative nature gets tiresome, especially when it is against some newer members on a regular basis. I, like I am sure many others, have knowledge to share but will many times not comment as I don't like the drama.

That goes ditto for me too. I read this forum every day. I would like to contribute, but don't for the same reasons. It sometimes seems that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but only certain people's are allowed to count. It gets old.

[Big Dave]

+3

[dwr11]

Originally Posted by ATP

I too will jump out there and say that yes everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the argumentative nature gets tiresome, especially when it is against some newer members on a regular basis. I, like I am sure many others, have knowledge to share but will many times not comment as I don't like the drama.

Totally agree!

[shelly]