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Posted By: Mike
If anyone can tell me who the player is on the brown card and the issue, it would be greatly appreciated. |
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Posted By: JDRUM
The left card is a severely trimmed V100, Nielson's. The card on the right is an E card of some sort with Irv Young doing his best Cy imitation. |
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Posted By: Turner Engle
The Young is an E101; probably worth around $300-$400. |
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Posted By: brianp
The sepia toned card has been correctly identified as a trimmed V100, but it is Willards Chocolate, not Neilsons. I believe the player is William Killifer. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
V100 Willards Chocolate and an E101 anonymous are correct. |
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Posted By: leon
Agreed on the id's. However, I don't really think this is Irv on the E101. Irv was left handed and this card looks like Cy is the correct, right handed. Many of the caramel issues look very little like the players they depict. best regards |
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Posted By: Rob D.
Golly, I think most folks, whether they be of the slab variety or not, would take issue more with the "N" written to the left of Young's head than the writing on the reverse. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
On the E101, I think that the player that was intended to be depicted is Cy Young. That's what Egan contemplated, same with those that followed him with lists and guides, on to what we presently have. Cy. |
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Posted By: brianp
Perhaps the 'N' was written there to indicate the geographical orientation of the back of Mr. Young's head, which of course is still very useful information. |
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Posted By: JDRUM
Leon, |
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Posted By: leon
It looks like a follow through with his right arm...but I do have to admit, the more I look at it, the more I feel it is an "Irv " profile. But the ears, that's it. The ears are not the same. The ears don't fit, you must acquit!! |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
doesn't look like Cy at all to me--wrong face and way too youthful. Maybe not a follow-through either; instead, he could be holding his right arm out to accept throw from catcher/fielder. |
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Posted By: Lyman
Mike, here is what the V100 Killifer card looks like with full borders. --Lyman |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I still think that Mr. Egan and his successors were right in thinking that that is Cy... |
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Posted By: JDRUM
I think it was very much intended to by Cy Young but I think the image/likeness is that of Irv. Happened more than once. But I also called a Willards a Neilsons, so who knows. It is one of those Cy Young cards that I wouldn't pay Cy Young money for. |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
but it ain't him. Kind of like this card does not depict HOFer Bill Terry, but the 1928 ice cream and other sets say they do: |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Zeb Terry, a short stop and second baseman, played for... |
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Posted By: Mark
That card is for sure Zeb Terry |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
perhaps I was not clear. Of course that card depicts Zeb Terry--that was my point. Eleven years later you will find that same picture denominated Bill Terry on the ice cream sets-- I didn't scan one because I don't own one--I'll be damned if I'll pay HOF card money for a picture of a journeyman just because the typeset says he's someone else. No doubt these companies "intended" to depict the up and coming Bill Terry, not the fading fast from memory Zeb. So too with many of Cy Young's cards. It ain't him, regardless of good intentions. |
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
What I think Todd is trying to say is that the 1927-28 Ice Cream/York Caramel cards that supposedly depict Bill Terry depict an old picture of Zeb. |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
to the original poster and Frank, I do believe it is checklisted as Cy Young, and perhaps correctly so given the career status of Irv. Thus many will pay HOF money for that card. I'm just saying it looks as much like Steve Young as it does Cy. |
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Posted By: Mike Q
This thread is a fine example of what makes this board so great. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Frank is right....the E101 card is definitely CYoung. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
As we've discussed in previous threads, many artists were used to draw the likenesses of the players, and some were clearly more skilled than others. Check out, for example, the difference in quality between the two T206 poses of Walter Johnson, or the superiority of the Cobb bat off versus the bat on version. In the case of this E101 Young, just a poorly rendered likeness. If you only saw the depiction without the name below, there is no way you could guess it was Young. |
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Posted By: JDRUM
Cy, Irv or Steve, neat card it just doesn't "look" like Cy even thought it was most likely intended to be him. I think I will apply Leon's "ears" test and draw my conclusion. |
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Posted By: leon
I have as much to gain as anyone and think these will continue to be sold as Cy and get Cy prices....but that E101 profile looks a heck of a lot like this Irv to me... |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Leon, I agree that in looking at that photo it looks more like Irv. |
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Posted By: JDRUM
It is entirely possible that the "artist" used an incorrect photo for his drawing as well. All I will say is that if he was actually working from a real picture of Cy Young and then rendered the drawing that became the E101, I hope he was working pro bono. |
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Posted By: Mark
I did try to find an Irv Young profie, but could not. Based on what I could find, I do agree with Leon and jdrum. |
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