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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
In looking at the article in the new Old Cardboard magazine... |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: scott brockelman
hal, |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
OK, this explains why I have never noticed it before. I don't have a Type I Lajoie to use as a comparison to my Type II, so the magazine was my first chance to see them side by side. The enlargement of one photo explains the situation. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: DJ
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
The blanked back E107's and the regular E107's are about 50/50 in my experience, but others may differ slightly. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: DJ
Thanks Hal. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Brian McQueen
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Andy Baran
I may be wrong, but I believe that all known Type 2 backs are BLANK. I don't think that any are known with the "one one one hundred fifty" printing on the back. However, I think there is confusion because Scott B has a Type 2 with a Blank Back that has the Breisch Williams Overprint on the back. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Brian's article mentions a Type II with the "150 players" printing on the back... |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: scott brockelman
as andy stated i do have a delehanty with the overprint back, not the 150 series back. i now anyone that i have spoken with who collects this issue has ever seen a Type 2 with a printed back. the overprint that i have is also the only Type 2 known to exist with the overprint. the origin of such we may never know. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Only until I get my stamp and purple ink kit back from that custom-made mail order company... |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Scott: |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: scott brockelman
hal, |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Understood, but can you give us a different explanation for how a Type II ended up with an official "BW" stamp on the back?? |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: scott brockelman
hal, |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Brian McQueen
I had always considered the overprint back as something that BW used to distinqush their cards that they placed in caramel packaging from other sponsers who may have been using the e107s as well. Regardless of which, according to this theory, the overprint back would have been something added at the factory and before the cards were even packaged. However, wouldn't one think that because BW was the main sponser, you would see more of these overprint backs than you do? |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I was wondering why the company would stamp the backs of the redeemed cards if all they were going to do was keep them and destroy them.... |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I will say this: |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: identify7
The company could have distributed their cards inside of a box, or seperate from a box. The box surface could have contained pictures identical to the cards. In order to distinguish box cut outs from the actual cards, BW could have stamped the (inside of the) boxes prior to folding them. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
It does also give some explanation for why there are SO MANY (comparatively speaking) E107 cards WITHOUT the purple stamp on them... |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Gil: You are missing that there are definite Type I cards that ALSO have the purple stamp on the back... and a lot more that don't. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
SERIOUSLY... LOOK AT THIS: |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Brian McQueen
Well, I know the stamp wouldn't have been used to distinguish Type 1 from Type 2 because these stamps are predominantly on Type 1 cards. There's maybe 1-2 Type 2 cards in existance that would have this overprint, Scott's being one. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I have seen a BUNCH of the purple stamped cards... |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Andy Baran
I have another Theory about the overprints, which is similar to Brian's. I think that his theory is probably more likely, but I figured I'd throw this one out there anyway. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Andy: |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Brian McQueen
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I have some of those "box bottom" cards that I cut out from the Topps boxes in 1986 and 1987. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: scott brockelman
i am going to go out on a limb here, without looking at my set, i think ALL of the overprints are on 150 series backs, NEVER a blank back. i have 41 overprints so i shall check tomorrow. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: scott brockelman
after rereading the thread i would like to address a couple of issues, first on the gehrig card, that appears to be nothing more than a rubber stamp "forward" stamp commonly used by the post office, probably vintage but not a redemption stamp by any means. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Hal Lewis
And like you said, Scott... |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: scott brockelman
upon looking at all of my overprints they are all on 150 series backs, again i have not seen a blank back, save the type 2 delehanty with an overprint. while the angle is varied, they all appear consistent, also every one has the overprint the same direction, in other words not one card was overpinted upside down, probably not the work of an enterprising youngster. also one reason for the light diagonal slant to the stamp. if applied perfectly it barely fits on the card, i imagine someone found be angling it diagonally they had more surface area to stamp. |
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E107 - Type I vs. Type II
Posted By: Paul
I sure like the theory that the overprint stamp was BW's way of "cancelling" the cards upon redemption. But the fact that every single one of Scott's overprints is on a 150-series back really undermines this theory. Why would BW stamp only the 150-series backs? |
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