Autograph News Live - criminals or just cowards?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Mike, below is a PAAS COA that I have in my files.

Is this a legitimate PAAS COA or not?

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[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Mike, below is a PAAS COA that I have in my files.

Is this a legitimate PAAS COA or not?

Attachment 114599

This one is as horrible as they come. I would very much like to hear Mike's explanation for it. My guess is gross incompetence rather than fraud.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Mike, below is a PAAS COA that I have in my files.

Is this a legitimate PAAS COA or not?

Attachment 114599

Chris,
This is a legitimate PAAS cerificate. This is a big difference from the COA shown prior and now we can a honest discussion on the problems with this signature. I would like to hear your personally concerns with the signature and not just negative words being thrown around. I am hoping that your opinion would be based upon the signature and not the person that certed this item.
Thank you.

[Runscott]

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This is a thread that needs to experience a quick death

[Rich Klein]

The autograph guys are having all the fun

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

The autograph guys are having all the fun

Hey, at least they aren't threatening to sue Archive.

[Rich Klein]

but would not you like to be the one to defend archive in court

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

Chris,
This is a legitimate PAAS cerificate. This is a big difference from the COA shown prior and now we can a honest discussion on the problems with this signature. I would like to hear your personally concerns with the signature and not just negative words being thrown around. I am hoping that your opinion would be based upon the signature and not the person that certed this item.
Thank you.

That Babe Ruth is an ugly forgery. Looks like it came from Coach's Corner.

Second, I would never base my opinion on an autograph on the person who certed it.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

That Babe Ruth is an ugly forgery. Looks like it came from Coach's Corner.

Second, I would never base my opinion on an autograph on the person who certed it.

I do appreciate that and I respect your opinion. This item did not come from coaches corner and I would be happy to listen to any points you can make about the signature. I am with you not against you, for some reason I feel you have the wrong impression of me and my agenda. Like I said I have been involved in this industry longer the most and I can do nothing but help the good guys in there quest to fix the hobby.
What would you say about this Ruth signature, I was asked about last week.
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[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

I do appreciate that and I respect your opinion. This item did not come from coaches corner and I would be happy to listen to any points you can make about the signature. I am with you not against you, for some reason I feel you have the wrong impression of me and my agenda. Like I said I have been involved in this industry longer the most and I can do nothing but help the good guys in there quest to fix the hobby.
What would you say about this Ruth signature, I was asked about last week.
Attachment 114675

Authentic.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

...and I would be happy to listen to any points you can make about the signature.
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Like I said I have been involved in this industry longer the most and I can do nothing but help the good guys in there quest to fix the hobby.

As Chris stated, it is a horrible forgery. What is alarming is that you "have been involved in this industry longer than most", but you do not recognize immediately that this is a forgery.

I have no ill-will toward you (I don't even know you), but I buy vintage autographs every now and then and hate to see this level of authentication expertise behind COA's. It's the same sort of stuff that has of ranting against PSA and JSA, only I don't think either of them would have passed this.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Runscott

As Chris stated, it is a horrible forgery. What is alarming is that you "have been involved in this industry longer than most", but you do not recognize immediately that this is a forgery.

I have no ill-will toward you (I don't even know you), but I buy vintage autographs every now and then and hate to see this level of authentication expertise behind COA's. It's the same sort of stuff that has of ranting against PSA and JSA, only I don't think either of them would have passed this.

The irony is that I was asking about the COA, not the sig.

That Ruth was just a side note.

That being said, the Ruth is horrible.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

The irony is that I was asking about the COA, not the sig.

That Ruth was just a side note.

That being said, the Ruth is horrible.

That IS irony.

[Big Dave]

Mr. Frost,

Who are the Treasurer and Sec. of Treasury on that Ruth signed dollar bill you asked about?

[shelly]

Great question. If you took ten seconds out I think you will find it is on a 1935 or a little after bank note. He might have no idea what is real but I would give him enough credit to know if the bill would be in that time period.
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[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Mr. Frost,

Who are the Treasurer and Sec. of Treasury on that Ruth signed dollar bill you asked about?

Frederick Moore Vinson

[r2678]

Silver certificates of that design were printed well into the 1950s. Vinson was Secretary of the Treasury mid 1945 - mid 1946. They would have been in circulation during Ruth's lifetime.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

Chris,
This is a legitimate PAAS cerificate.

So it's a legitimate COA on a bogus autograph?

[thetruthisoutthere]

That Babe Ruth was on Ebay and it was removed.

[Leon]

I am not an autograph guy whatsoever and can tell that Ruth is bad, above (with the cert)..The stroke in that signature is awful, It doesn't flow... as well as the R in Ruth is grotesque....and the rest of it isn't much better. It's all bad. And before I looked at any responses I thought the one on the bill was good too ....