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[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by G1911

Doesn't that describe pretty much every boxing card?

oh SNAP!

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

oh SNAP!

I'd consider it a good thing to have had pretty much everything at one point or another. I'm making do with my narrowly focused humble little sets. The last 10% of my want list remaining will take 40+ years...

[G1911]

From the same source, an obscure one. Fitzsimmons is the tougher of the 2 (I think) recurring yellow smear variants. This card is a factory 649, which is a new discovery. The other known examples are factory 30's.

[RCMcKenzie]

Now at 28/50 for T218 Tolstoi. I was searching eBay past sales to try to understand pricing and saw a Loughery that sold for $100. I clicked on it, and it said, "You won this auction."

I was reading the stats on the back. Almost every fight was a "no decision". He did defeat Unk Russell, which makes me think Russell was not very good, or had a bad day.

[RCMcKenzie]

I was looking at stats on boxerlist.com for Russell and Laughery. They both beat Mellody. The stats on boxerlist are different than the stats on the T218. Boxerlist does not show lots of no decisions. May be worth it's own thread at some point.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I was looking at stats on boxerlist.com for Russell and Laughery. They both beat Mellody. The stats on boxerlist are different than the stats on the T218. Boxerlist does not show lots of no decisions. May be worth it's own thread at some point.

Congrats on another Tolstoi!

My understanding from my readings is that the issue is that some jurisdictions, like New York and Philadelphia, had repressive rules on boxing that essentially banned 'real' fights. Thus, every fight was a No Decision in these places because they were 'exhibitions' and there was no winner allowed to be formally named. 4, 6, 10 and 12 rounds seems to be the common round counts used for these bouts, though a lot of the newspapers seem to make clear that the boxers fought just as hard as in 'fully authorized' fights and they were not like the actual exhibitions put on by retired boxers to demonstrate technique. Boxrec and others try to use Newspaper decisions to catalog wins and losses, but this is a modern project.

If I am incorrect, someone please clarify and correct what I have said. I'm sure others know more fully.

[RCMcKenzie]

Thanks for explaining the records, that makes sense.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by G1911

Congrats on another Tolstoi!

My understanding from my readings is that the issue is that some jurisdictions, like New York and Philadelphia, had repressive rules on boxing that essentially banned 'real' fights. Thus, every fight was a No Decision in these places because they were 'exhibitions' and there was no winner allowed to be formally named. 4, 6, 10 and 12 rounds seems to be the common round counts used for these bouts, though a lot of the newspapers seem to make clear that the boxers fought just as hard as in 'fully authorized' fights and they were not like the actual exhibitions put on by retired boxers to demonstrate technique. Boxrec and others try to use Newspaper decisions to catalog wins and losses, but this is a modern project.

If I am incorrect, someone please clarify and correct what I have said. I'm sure others know more fully.

Yeah, pretty spot on.

One of the funniest things I ever saw were those signed T218’s that surfaced a few years ago with inscriptions of fight records that could only have been culled from Boxrec and never existed before internet data entry existed.