Mastro Legends Auction Catalog Just Arrived

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Posted By: Tony N

Catalog just arrived, but it looks like the T210 Joe Jackson isn't listed. Possible the consignor changed his mind? Some really high end lots none the less.

Tony

Looking for a SGC low grade 1914 or 1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson

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Posted By: Phil Garry

I received mine yesterday. Very few cards and mainly all memorabilia pieces. There is one great card though, E107 Matty, estimates on that one? Mine is $75K.......

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Posted By: leon

Haven't seen the catalog yet. My guess on the E107 Matty is 100k....

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Posted By: Tony N

My guess is with Leon, I'll say $100,000+

Such a nice card, that is rarely offered. Very nice eye appeal for the grade.

Tony

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Posted By: Jeff Prizner

$90k on the Matty

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Posted By: Rob D.

"Not mine but I hope to own it at nights' end if the price stays reasonable. ... I have owned one but that was a long time ago and I can only wish I still had it in my collection."

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Posted By: Tony N

Rob,

Is your E107 Matty currently graded, or is it still raw? Do you happen to know?

Tony

Looking for a low grade SGC 1914-15 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson

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Posted By: Rob D.

Tony,

My apologies. I was quoting from a post from the other night in which it's suspected that the original poster was "wondering" what a card he had consigned to an auction that was hours away from ending would sell for.

I swung and missed at an attempt at humor (nothing new there).

Sorry about that.

Rob

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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm

I thought it was funny!

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Posted By: Tony N

I didn't realize the quotes were around your message. LOL

Tony

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Posted By: MVSNYC

i know you guys are all "gah-gah" over the E107 Matty...BUT, i offer these pieces which should (IMO) sell for more:

~Ruth Rookie Bat
~Mantle Rookie Bat
~Jackie Robinson Bat
~Mantle '58 WS Jersey
~Mantle '52 Topps PSA 8

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Posted By: leon

Rob- I thought that was a line drive single...


Michael- those things might go higher but the '52 Mantle always has me scratching my bald head at the prices it brings.....Lets see..a nice E107 Matty or real nice '52 Mantle? I guess since I am a pre-war collector it is obvious which I would want more for the same money....But to each their own....

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Posted By: MVSNYC

if all things were even...i'd take the Ruth Rookie Bat hands down (with the Mantle Rookie bat a close second) vs. cardboard.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Great stuff inside; however, I'm prejudiced against game-used and autographs due to the huge propensity for fraud. That being said, a couple of thoughts:

How cool would it be for the Giants to go back to wearing those sideline capes?

Why is Anthony Munoz's name so hard to spell -- and did Mastro let all of its proofreaders go?

And lastly, lot 376, Babe Ruth's typed letter to Jimmie Donahue, is the coolest item in the auction.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I like the 1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson SGC 98. Think it might slip through the cracks?

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Well, it's his second card so maybe.

10..9...8...7...6...5... (until Joe D's appearance here )

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Posted By: barrysloate

Joe takes those things personally.

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Posted By: Rob D.

His second card only because the Leafs were issued eight days before the Bowmans.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

Hi Jeff-

That Ruth letter is cool!

FWIW- the bats are authenticated by John Taube, who is the industry's leading expert in game used bats...i'd say their authenticity is rock solid.

when are we doing dinner again?

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Posted By: MVSNYC

A very cool sidenote (i think):


Lot 374- Babe Ruth 1940 Signed Personal Check PSA/DNA MINT 9...This check was written-out on Sept. 16th, 1940 (check # 4761)


i own a similar condition Ruth check (PSA/DNA 9), written-out on May 25th, 1940 (check # 4731). mine was made out to his wife Claire for $1000!



merely 4 months and 30 checks separate the two...i just find that pretty cool...


i'll try to post a scan tomorrow...

MS

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Posted By: Matt

T210 Joe Jackson:
http://www.mastroauctions.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20 Information&LotIndex=89607

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

I don't understand the Authentic grade explanation -- any thoughts?

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Posted By: Matt

Jeff - maybe I can help.

I just looked it up in my Mastro dictionary.

"very subtle inferior cut" means trimmed.

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Posted By: Jim VB

Dang Jeff, I thought you were smart! You mean this isn't clear enough for you?


"This card has been evaluated as "Authentic" on the basis of a very subtle inferior cut. This characteristic is not readily apparent to the unaided eye, and it is endemic to a significant percentage of the known population of T210s-many of which are "Series 8's." At least one other of the known Jacksons exhibits this same cut."


Endemic, subtle, inferior, cuts almost always get an "Authentic".


Edited to say- Matt beat me to it, with less sarcasm. (Which is unusual for him.)

Edits moving toward cycleback territory- Matt is not really sarcastic. I just said that because his answer beat mine.

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Posted By: Matt

Jim - I don't think we can count those edits as true challenge to our Supreme King of Edits - the forum software has been on the fritz lately, adding line spaces, mangling html and I actually had a BST post that I was editing, deleted altogether.

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Posted By: Jim VB

Glad to hear it's the software. I thought it was me.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Ahhh...I had suspected as much but for some reason I expected that if the card was trimmed, Mastro might actually describe it as....trimmed. Silly me.

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Posted By: Jim VB

You say potato. They say endemic, subtle, inferior cut.

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Posted By: Anonymous

So this T210 was trimmed using a potato peeler? Should it not then be slabbed by the good folks at Ore-Ida?

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Posted By: Matt

Barry cleared it up.

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Posted By: Jim VB

The way I read it, they're trying to imply that such a large percentage of these cards are cut this way that they may have been that way from the factory. An Ebay seller would just say "PSA says it's trimmed, but I don't think it is!"

With such a small population sample, I think it's impossible to infer that anything is endemic.

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Posted By: barrysloate

People might not remember the Mastro Jackson, but it originally appeared in the April 30, 2005 REA Auction, lot #8. The card originated from a family that had a large group of T210's for years. As collectors of T210 know, Series 8 cards are notorious for bad cuts, and this Jackson falls into that category.

The card is not trimmed, it simply has an inferior factory cut. To Mastro's credit they described it accurately (using a good deal of the REA text, if I'm not mistaken).

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Posted By: Matt

learn something new every day.

Here is the original text from REA:

"The card has been encapsulated by PSA but not graded, due to the slight sloping wave to the cut of the card. PSA interprets this as a possible trim; however, we have no question that this example is not trimmed. Early cards (most notably Old Judges, for example) occasionally have unusual, imperfect sloping cuts that are unrelated to trimming, and this is such a case. This card originates from an estate sale in the Baltimore area in the 1980s which included a large collection of T210 Old Mill cards. The card has been consigned directly from the original buyer at this sale, who purchased the entire 300-card collection. There was only one Jackson card in the collection. All fifteen T210 "Series 8" cards from this collection share the characteristic of having the same very subtle inferior cut, confirming that these rare "Series 8" card examples were cut differently, whether very carefully by hand from sheets, or simply by an inferior cutting process. The cut on this card is original to 1910, and the card was issued exactly in this manner."

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Posted By: barrysloate

We had a thread at the time the card was auctioned discussing the cuts of these Series 8 cards. Several prominent Old Mill collectors stated that examples in their collections were also poorly cut.

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Posted By: Matt

So there was:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1115498703/T210+Old+Mill+Jackson+in+REA+Auction-New+Owner%27s+Perspective

thanks Barry!

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Posted By: Matt

I think what is confusing in the Mastro write up is that they imply PSA graded it "Authentic" due to acknowledging that series 8s have that cut. REA said PSA thought it was trimmed, which makes much more sense for why they would grade it as "Authentic."

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Posted By: leon

So far SGC won't grade the 1909 handcut Obaks with anything but an AUT and I am quite sure (actually I am postive) they weren't "trimmed"....yet the grading companies grade strip cards with numbers and no qualifier of "handcut".....One of the things that drives me crazy.....

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Posted By: Anonymous

Great card, wonder if it breaks $250,000