ebay authenticity guarantee limits now 250/750

[Peter_Spaeth]

So every raw card listed at over 250 and every graded card listed at over 750 now has to be authenticated before going to the buyer. That has to be an astonishing number of cards daily, no? I am sure PSA looks very carefully at its own cards, many of which were graded weeks ago. Insane.

[G1911]

Crap, this will affect my poor ass now. As a collector of oddities and stuff the graders don't know much about (boxing) I have concerns they will reject perfectly good cards and make it a pain. Shipping delay is annoying and eventually being forced to pay off the graders for raw cards will be too, but this is my larger worry.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Is it still "free for a limited time"?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Is it still "free for a limited time"?

Yeah. But at some point someone will have to pay for the review, assembly in one of those stupid folders, and shipping. For graded cards this is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah. But at some point someone will have to pay for the review, assembly in one of those stupid folders, and shipping. For graded cards this is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

I'm guessing it will be the seller who ends up having to foot the bill...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I'm guessing it will be the seller who ends up having to foot the bill...

No doubt at least until it gets passed on. I don't get it. I can't imagine buyers view this as adding any value for graded cards, and it's just going to piss off sellers and raise prices.

[G1911]

What happens when it's a card the graders don't know or touch? Like an unchecklisted cabinet card that PSA won't grade? Anyone have a direct experience with what they do under this program?

[dmats33312]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I'm guessing it will be the seller who ends up having to foot the bill...

My guess is it’s in eBays best interest to do this if it costs them a small amount to avoid not only the fake raw cards but also the scams where the card is never sent out since now they hold the money until it clears verification. This way they aren’t paying out item not received claims or incorrect item claims and the seller closing the account before the money can be taking back. Since it’s verifyinfnand not slabbing my guess is the cost at bulk for them isn’t much and is a much cheaper hit than refunds with their guarantee.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah. But at some point someone will have to pay for the review, assembly in one of those stupid folders, and shipping. For graded cards this is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

That is frustrating. Pay more, wait longer and potential issues in between. Especially with graded cards cannot say that makes much sense

[HistoricNewspapers]

I sold a PSA graded card to a Canadian buyer but it does not have me sending it for any authenticating. Are they not doing it for out of country sales?

[dmats33312]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

That is frustrating. Pay more, wait longer and potential issues in between. Especially with graded cards cannot say that makes much sense

This isn’t much of a problem, need to wait a few more days to ensure not only the item is authentic but the seller is too. Considering during peak covid it could take months to receive a package I don’t see a few more days being an issue (only issue I have is I’m unsure how it is guarantee from authenticator to final address from loss or damage.)

[babraham]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For graded cards this is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

+1
Agreed.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For graded cards this is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

Complete Stupidity -

MySlabs keeps looking better all the time

At some point they gonna be sittin around the eBay Boardroom asking each other "How did we manage to break this thing?"

[Lorewalker]

Was just skimming over the terms for the slab/label review. eBay has always been overly thorough in their terms. Suspending just how pointless and incomplete this process is, I managed to read this:

You acknowledge and agree that if the third-party authenticator detects fraud or suspects that an item is counterfeit, the item will be removed from marketplace circulation and, if the card was graded by PSA, PSA will deactivate its certificate. If the slab is counterfeit or tampered with but the underlying card is authentic and has not been compromised, PSA will re-holder the card and create a new certification before sending the card to the buyer. In addition, eBay will work with the proper authorities as needed and reserves the right to confiscate or destroy any items determined to be counterfeit.

PSA is validating at least 3 other TPG holders so the question is why? They have no expertise or experience with those holders.

This also suggests they are looking at the cards at least for being counterfeit. All grading companies have graded counterfeit cards...PSA may have graded the most. In that remote case in which they id a counterfeit card they are simply going to remove it. No recourse to the eBay seller who may have innocently purchased a counterfeit card in a legit TPG holder?

And finally, love the "You acknowledge and agree..." part. The program is being imposed on us. Not like we are opting into it if we like it. If we want to sell TPG cards on eBay that are over $750 we have no choice but to acknowledge and agree.

[EddieP]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Is it still "free for a limited time"?

Yes.

[x2drich2000]

Anyone know what they are going to do if PSA decides a graded card is not authentic or that the case has been altered? What if the card is misgraded? Would PSA have the authority to confiscate the item or remove it from the case?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Anyone know what they are going to do if PSA decides a graded card is not authentic or that the case has been altered? What if the card is misgraded? Would PSA have the authority to confiscate the item or remove it from the case?

What if they decide the same about SGC cards?

I could be wrong but I think they have the whole graded card gig. Someone please correct me if I am wrong?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Anyone know what they are going to do if PSA decides a graded card is not authentic or that the case has been altered? What if the card is misgraded? Would PSA have the authority to confiscate the item or remove it from the case?

PSA is not authenticating the card. They are only authenticating that the holder has not been tampered with.

https://pages.ebay.com/authenticity-...dingcards/#faq

[Luke]

Originally Posted by G1911

Crap, this will affect my poor ass now. As a collector of oddities and stuff the graders don't know much about (boxing) I have concerns they will reject perfectly good cards and make it a pain. Shipping delay is annoying and eventually being forced to pay off the graders for raw cards will be too, but this is my larger worry.

This is my main worry too. Couple weeks ago I was the first to see a rare card I've wanted and haven't seen one for sale ever. Price wasn't a bargain, but I'm sure someone else would have bought it if I didn't. It didn't pass authentication, and they didn't say why. It's miscut, so could easily get an "Auth" if graded, but the seller didn't list a condition, so that shouldn't have mattered. Anyway, it ended well because I was able to buy it again and this time the authentication thing didn't kick in because it was less than $250. But my worry is you find a cool rare card, they reject it, then the seller sells it to someone else, and you miss out on it for no good reason.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Luke

This is my main worry too. Couple weeks ago I was the first to see a rare card I've wanted and haven't seen one for sale ever. Price wasn't a bargain, but I'm sure someone else would have bought it if I didn't. It didn't pass authentication, and they didn't say why. It's miscut, so could easily get an "Auth" if graded, but the seller didn't list a condition, so that shouldn't have mattered. Anyway, it ended well because I was able to buy it again and this time the authentication thing didn't kick in because it was less than $250. But my worry is you find a cool rare card, they reject it, then the seller sells it to someone else, and you miss out on it for no good reason.

I would think you could mostly avoid that result by communicating immediately with the seller once you find out about the rejection and offering to buy it again?

[Gorditadogg]

I bought a set of "NM" cards on ebay. When I got the set the key cards had been pulled and replaced with beaters. I complained, and the seller said he sent NM cards and I must have replaced them myself.

A few months ago someone posted on Net54 that he bought a graded card for several thousand dollars and received an empty box. Seller said the card was in the box when it was mailed.

An intermediary like PSA can eliminate most of these disputes.

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[mq711]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I bought a set of "NM" cards on ebay. When I got the set the key cards had been pulled and replaced with beaters. I complained, and the seller said he sent NM cards and I must have replaced them myself.

A few months ago someone posted on Net54 that he bought a graded card for several thousand dollars and received an empty box. Seller said the card was in the box when it was mailed.

An intermediary like PSA can eliminate most of these disputes.

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Unfortunate this is why this procedure has become necessary.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I bought a set of "NM" cards on ebay. When I got the set the key cards had been pulled and replaced with beaters. I complained, and the seller said he sent NM cards and I must have replaced them myself.

A few months ago someone posted on Net54 that he bought a graded card for several thousand dollars and received an empty box. Seller said the card was in the box when it was mailed.

An intermediary like PSA can eliminate most of these disputes.

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How often, though, does this happen, it must be an infinitesimal portion of transactions. To prevent those, is it worth putting nearly every significant transaction into this new mode? My own experience and I bet it's typical is that I have not had a problem with an ebay purchase in the 20+ years I've been buying. I mean, probably some graded cards were hacked but this isn't going to prevent that.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How often, though, does this happen, it must be an infinitesimal portion of transactions. To prevent those, is it worth putting nearly every significant transaction into this new mode? My own experience and I bet it's typical is that I have not had a problem with an ebay purchase in the 20+ years I've been buying. I mean, probably some graded cards were hacked but this isn't going to prevent that.

Peter, I doubt ebay is doing this if the issues are infinitesimal. Be grateful you are not a typical ebay buyer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Peter, I doubt ebay is doing this if the issues are infinitesimal. Be grateful you are not a typical ebay buyer.

Al, I get the raw cards, although it makes more sense to me as an optional service if the buyer wants it. Graded, especially in light of what David just posted, makes no sense to me at all.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Peter, I doubt ebay is doing this if the issues are infinitesimal. Be grateful you are not a typical ebay buyer.

I kind of agree with Peter. Yes, issues are frustrating and time consuming when they happen on eBay, but I've been buying there for 23 years now and I would estimate my rate of "issues" with buy transactions to the point where I have to get eBay involved is probably less than 1%.

[Exhibitman]

I'm about to get screwed by this stupid program. I have a cabinet card that is going to sell above the limit. CSG doesn't handle cabinet cards at all. I fully expect that the sale will be canceled because the pinheads at CSG won't know what to do with the card.

[prestigecollectibles]

I guess your referring to the Jim Jeffries Boxing Cabinet Card. I've heard of cases like this where CSG just forwards the item to the buyer without authenticating it.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I'm about to get screwed by this stupid program. I have a cabinet card that is going to sell above the limit. CSG doesn't handle cabinet cards at all. I fully expect that the sale will be canceled because the pinheads at CSG won't know what to do with the card.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles

I guess your referring to the Jim Jeffries Boxing Cabinet Card. I've heard of cases like this where CSG just forwards the item to the buyer without authenticating it.

That's the one