T206 Wagner proof strip now in Philly...

[Northviewcats]

This is pure speculation, but perhaps the reason the printer placed the subjects in this order is based on aesthetics and blending of colors. The red backed cards make a pleasing outside frame. The Olive background of the Bowerman card in the center is a nice blend of the orange and green backgrounds that flank it. The printer may have even thought to put the Wagner in the center of the strip, but is artistic eye told him that this was the best combination.

Best wishes,

Joe

[mkdltn]

For those that have seen this card, was the area that is the white border area gray in color? you can see the white areas that appear to be the white of the paper around the register marks.
This strip is either a partial group from the original arangement of subjects on the original matrix stones or plates, Or it something that was put together by pulling transfers for each of these players and creating a separate set of stones or plates with this configuration before the art for some of the colors was unfinished.

[ScottFandango]

Originally Posted by tedzan

FYI....this so-called strip is blank-backed.

Upon magnification, you will find that the vertical lines between the cards are actually seams.

Regarding your...." nobody cared much about these cards in 1909, so why, in 1909, would anyone bother
to attach them to a sheet with the precision of an accomplished card doctor? "

This is a very naive comment, there is tons of documentation that tells us how popular these cards were
when they were initially available in 1909. Especially, the major stars of that era (Cobb, Johnson, Lajoie,
Matty, Wagner, CYoung, etc).

And, to the 2nd part of your comment....It didn't require a "card doctor" to craft this strip. The employees
at American Lithograph were high quality craftsman.
It is rumored that this 5-card strip was specifically crafted as a sample piece given to Wagner prior to the
T206 market launch.

Anyhow, I will be traveling down to Citizens Bank Park to catch a Phillies game and get a close up look at
this piece.
TED Z

i love how me and Ted think alike!

this is what i believe the majority of "blank back" cards to be....SAMPLES that Amer Litho employees would use to sell the art to different companies...



TED Z[/QUOTE]

[Cardboard Junkie]

I just plowed through this whole thread......so it's not vertical seams?
Not separate cards "pasted" together?
Actually a "proof" strip?

Cool.

[atx840]

One of my favourite T206 pieces...hope to finish and have it litho printed one day. Recreated using original portraits.

[ScottFandango]

Originally Posted by atx840

One of my favourite T206 pieces...hope to finish and have it litho printed one day. Recreated using original portraits.

Just made this my background on my PC....thank you

[Rob D.]

I would strongly recommend that Net54 newcomers take 15-20 minutes and read this thread from the beginning. It's pretty enlightening, and not just about the T206 Wagner strip.

[ZenPop]

Just got done reading this whole thing... pretty cool detective story from the beginning to present...

This reminds me that when I was driving through Pittsburgh a few years ago, I stopped at a small antique store and the owner, who's last name eludes me, showed me a strip just like this one... but the strip was was in much better shape and extended to include Plank on one side and the Doyle error card on the other. This was the real deal, so I ask held my breath and asked how much... Imagine my surprise when he just handed it to me... I've kept this strip to myself all this time, but I just sent it over to PSA to... nah... just kidding.

Seriously, though... excellent thread. And much thanks to the participants for the illuminating discussion!

[HOF Yankees]

this past march I went to a antiques and collectibles show here in Waukesha,wi and my 2 buddies and I wanted to go and check stuff out, now we scanned the whole show floor nothing real good until we came to one of the last show cases and saw a similar card like that one un graded. I should have bought it to take a chance but the chances were like -.01 percent chance the one I saw at the show was real but for 5.00 I should have taken that chance. Awesome strip card by the way.

[buymycards]

Hi, I have a question about your post. You said that it had the "look and feel" of a T206 but you also said that you never removed it from the glass holder, so how could you feel it?

Not trying to be a smart *** or anything but I am curious about this statement. I do appreciate your input and your experience with cards and I am not trying to be negative in any way.

Thanks,

Rick

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Hi, I have a question about your post. You said that it had the "look and feel" of a T206 but you also said that you never removed it from the glass holder, so how could you feel it?

Not trying to be a smart *** or anything but I am curious about this statement. I do appreciate your input and your experience with cards and I am not trying to be negative in any way.

Thanks,

Rick

I wondered the same thing.....both statements can't be true. Dave

[Jeffrompa]

Hey Leon ,

I print those in my basement everyday .

[deucetwins]

So getting back to the origin and reason for the strip. Assuming that it was given to Wagner to get him to sign on for the production, and following the anti-tobacco myth, were any of the other 4 known non-smokers/tobacco users? This could be a reason that these 4 were included on the strip. Perhaps to entice Wagner to join up after seeing that other anti-tobacco players were signed on. This is an underhanded move by ATC, but how can you print a set without one of the stars of the day? Like an earlier post, I can see why "stars" such as Young and Brown would be included on the strip. However, I'm also curious as to why Kling and Bowerman (commons) would be included on the strip. So was ATC trying to appeal to his ego, his anti-tobacco stance, or as alluded to previously, was it just good ole' fashioned greenbacks that stood in the way?

[deadballfreaK]

Personally I have never bought the Wagner anti-tobacco theory. I believe he chewed tobacco and smoked cigars. I suppose he could have had concerns about youth, but just doesn't seem right. I think monetary or contractual reasons.

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

I would strongly recommend that Net54 newcomers take 15-20 minutes and read this thread from the beginning. It's pretty enlightening, and not just about the T206 Wagner strip.

Just read the thread from the begining and i also recommend newcomers to take time to read it completely.

Verry cool thread.