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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Tim
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1820289435 |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: leon
as the proud owner (but not anymore ) of 2 different types of Fro-Joy counterfeits this is a fake/reprint......regards |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Bob
Seems like the (only) bidder is about to get a $75.00 lesson. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Connor Ciallella
i own the set of fro joys all psa graded and they are all black and white the colored ones are from at least 35 years after the originals were made colored are counterfeit!!! |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: David
Some, in fact most, black and white Ruth Fro Joys are also counterfeits |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Julie Vognar
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Dr.Richard Koos
Most black and whites have been HEAVILY knocked off through the years. The largest production of B & W and Minor League counterfeit cards occurred ca. 1982 to 1985 by a printer within a 30 mile radius of NYC. He was responsible for AT LEAST all of the following: |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Julie Vognar
So, like i said, little joy from Fro joy. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Bill
i also thought all Fro Joys were in B&W .. Ebay has a PSA 5 in Blue ..HELPPPP |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: David
Very interesting. I hope PSA didn't make a boo boo. and if they did don't anyone tell MW (Hi, Michael). I'm sure Bob Lemke could provide some valuable comments on this subject. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: David
I have never owned a Fro Joy(they're starting to get expensive, especially when PSA/SGC graded), but it is widely regarded that the genruine cards were only black/white-- and that most of the black/whites are reprints too. Again, Bob Lemke will be able to provide a good opinion on this. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Elliot
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1849835693 |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: jay behrens
to my knowledge legit Fro-Joys are only B&W. This is not a good thing is PSA is slabbing bogus Fro-Joys as legit. This set has enough problems with identifying real cards that is doesn't need a PSA to confuse the situation even more. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Tom Lawrie
I talked to Grady at SGC, and he indicated that they won't slab Fro Joys because of the counterfeit issue, though he indicated that the legit ones are supposed to be all black and white. SGC also won't slab STAR basketball for similar reasons, and won't slab sets where the plates may have been reused multiple times in different years. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: jay behrens
does that mean that they won't slab 1984 Fleer updates? I know those made from plates that someone 'accidently' threw in the trash. Aside from some very minute differences, about teh only way to tell the real thing from a the fakes is if the person has the whole set AND the box, since they never made boxes for the 'second' run. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: David
I haven't heard that story about the 84 Fleer Updates before. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: goudey guy
I too have owned a fake Fro Joy card or two. The reprints, as previously stated, are black and white, and appear to be on a very crisp white and thin cardbord stock. Sometimes tehy are colored (which should tell you that they are most definately reprints). |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: goudey guy
Another thought on Fro Joys...many reprints and fakes of them have been professionally authenticated and graded. This lends to my opinion that card grading doesn't add value. PSA doesn't know everything about every card. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Anonymous
Yes, the whole set was reprinted from the printers plates that were supposedly found in the trash. Not sure if they ever found the plates. At first, they were just unloading the Puckett, clemens and other hot cards, but once word got out about the fakes they started bringing in the whole set to make it look legit, but they did not have boxes for them. I would get hte story that the box was in bad shape and they threw it away or some very version of my kid ruined it. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Tom Lawrie
and think that SGC's policy is best: if you can't be certain, then don't authenticate it at all. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: David
I hate to repeat myself (that's a lie, I love to do it), but the original Froy Joys should be straightforeward to authenticate as they most probably were photoengraving which is a long out-of-date printing process and is easily identifiable. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Marc S.
should opine on this one, being the resident #1 PSA Registry 1928 Fro-Joy graded set owner. |
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Counterfeit Fro-joy
Posted By: Dr.Koos
...expert (a man that can spot a bad signature from across the street), over 90% (YES, NINE OUT OF TEN) H.O.F. autographed memorabilia of players who supposedly signed items in excess of 50 years ago, are FAKE...Authenticated, C.O.A.ed, or NOT!!! According to him, he has seen TWO good Ruth autographs offered on Ebay in the past three years!!! |
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