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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: barry arnold
With printing errors 'abounding' in the T206 set with some salient examples |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: T206Collector
You leave out the most salient distinction between Magie/Doyle and the others: Magie/Doyle were errors made by the creators of the cards -- typographic errors -- that were negligently created and then subsequently intentionally edited. The others were caused by flaws in the actual printing process and thus much less interesting to me (and many other) T206 collectors. Lumping them all in as the same kind of printing error is not a persuasive basis upon which to claim that Magie and Doyle do not belong on the checklist. I own a Magie, with an "I" -- it is a different card with a different name than the Magee that shares its portrait. Nodgrass lost his S because of a flaw in the printing process itself and is more akin to a bubble on the paint of a card. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: PC
I agree 100%. Magie and Doyle Nat'l were created as such, as were the rarer team variations. These should be checklisted (as they currently are), and are needed to consider the T206 set complete. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: JimB
I tend to agree with the distinction Paul made. Intentional changes are different from printing errors. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: barrysloate
Complete agreement here too. The Magie and Doyle are very significant errors that demanded a revised print run, while the others are nothing more than a little glitch in the process that caused some ink to be left out of a letter or even a serif. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: JimB
I think the print variations are cool, but it seems like we have recently been scared by the possibility of fakes. I have a "Nodgrass" that I think must be real because a previous owner (presumably near the time of issue) hand wrote in the "S". So there are real ones out there. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: barrysloate
There are undoubtedly real examples of each of those variations, but to sophisticated card alterers faking these is like taking candy from a baby. And you know the graders won't get them all right. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: MVSNYC
i agree the doyle & magie are in a seperate category...BUT, the other printing variations are still pretty rare. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: Scot Reader
I will add to the chorus. Design errors/variations should be separately checklisted; printing errors/variations should not be. The former are more interesting because they were made consciously. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: barry arnold
And what a resounding oppositional chorus it is!!! |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: JimB
Barry, |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: barrysloate
I distinctly remember that Bump Wills card...in 1982, when I first started, it seemed like a big deal. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: barry arnold
Many thanks, JimB,(and Barry S.) for the very helpful historical precedent. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: dan mckee
You can remove the "Toront" from your list as there are no valid ones. All were made by greenhornet, the Nodgrass creator that should be SHOT! |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: barry arnold
many thanks, Dan. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: Scot Reader
Barry A., |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: barry arnold
Scot, |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: JimB
Barry, |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: Richard Masson
and now I know the meaning of serif (or alternatively, ceriph). Awesome. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: barrysloate
Never saw that alternate spelling. I just learned something, too! |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
BARRY A....et al |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: barry arnold
Many,many thanks everyone for the very helpful comments and insights. |
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T206 checklist revisited
Posted By: barrysloate
Barry A. makes a good point about hobby knowledge that has been accepted for a generation or more as gospel but really deserves a reexamination. I think history is no different- many of the stories passed down over time are simply wrong and need revision. |
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