PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney

[NYYFan63]

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ting-with-fbi/


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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Rob, he got the information here lol.

[NYYFan63]

Ha! I saw the headline before I read the article. Was not aware he was a board member...

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

[oldjudge]

Hopefully, Jeff’s involvement will lead to the exposure of all the criminals involved and their imprisonment. I think this ultimately will be a net positive for the hobby.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Well if Jeff is representing some of the criminals I am going to go out on a limb and guess that he might be fighting against their imprisonment.

[asphaltman]

A little surpised by this...but then again...not so much.

How the hell is PWCC still actively selling on eBay?

[wondo]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Well if Jeff is representing some of the criminals I am going to go out on a limb and guess that he might be fighting against their imprisonment.

Of course. Brent hires an adept attorney to help figure out the best way to save his ass. It may or may not have a positive long term affect on the hobby (as is being advertised), but I pretty certain Brent isn't interested in that. But if it does benefit the hobby and folks get restitution, the pitchforks will be lowered somewhat, which can only be a positive for Brent's future wardrobe.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Hopefully, Jeff’s involvement will lead to the exposure of all the criminals involved and their imprisonment. I think this ultimately will be a net positive for the hobby.

Hopefully, Santa Claus will come down the chimney December 25th too.

It will all be swept under the rug don't worry.

BUSINESS
AS
USUAL.

Including recoloring, trimming and soaking in chemicals. Whatever it takes to keep PSA & PWCC in business with ZERO ramifications for their business plans to ALWAYS have new cards popping out of THIN AIR, just like they have been doing. You can count on it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Hopefully, Santa Claus will come down the chimney December 25th too.

It will all be swept under the rug don't worry.

BUSINESS
AS
USUAL.

Including recoloring, trimming and soaking in chemicals. Whatever it takes to keep PSA & PWCC in business with ZERO ramifications for their business plans to ALWAYS have new cards popping out of THIN AIR, just like they have been doing. You can count on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS3O5zg290k

[LOUCARDFAN]

I’m curious as to who reached out to who. We all know Brent reads the forums and has most likely seen where Jeff has continually roasted him so it would take huge balls for Brent to call him up and ask for his representation.


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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by loucardfan

i’m curious as to who reached out to who. We all know brent reads the forums and has most likely seen where jeff has continually roasted him so it would take huge brains for brent to call him up and ask for his representation.


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fyp

[japhi]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

fyp

Exactly, its brilliant. Neutralizes one if his biggest public, high profile detractors and by Jeffs own admission he is close with the FBI agent. You pay Jeff’s fee and this thing goes away.

[Arazi4442]

Originally Posted by japhi

Exactly, its brilliant. Neutralizes one if his biggest public, high profile detractors and by Jeffs own admission he is close with the FBI agent. You pay Jeff’s fee and this thing goes away.

So just another best justice money can buy scenario?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

The personal attacks on Jeff are way out of line. Really discussing his other cases is pretty pointless. Like others I would like to try and stay focused on the matters at hand. I'm on record as rooting against Jeff's client in this case and I would hope that he can understand why any number of us feel that way. But this other BS, and that's what it is, accomplishes what? Do you think it's going to have any affect on Jeff's career? (And if you do think that, you'd really screw with someone's career because they are representing someone you find reprehensible????) Forget the fact that it may cost us a connection to information that others may not have, I just don't understand the point of it. Forget for a minute that the Bar Association took no action, and his clients don't seem to have a problem, what do YOU hope to gain by posting this stuff???

[BigBeerGut]

You all sound like fools!
Brent is not going to jail give it a rest

He did not alter the cards
Shill bidding is not illegal
His knowledge of Moser's acts will not be able to be proven

YES he is a bad man but he will not even be charged with anything

WHO is wondering why he is still on ebay ? What a joke

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

You all sound like fools!
Brent is not going to jail give it a rest

He did not alter the cards
Shill bidding is not illegal
His knowledge of Moser's acts will not be able to be proven

YES he is a bad man but he will not even be charged with anything

WHO is wondering why he is still on ebay ? What a joke

Then why did he hire Jeff?

[Jeffrompa]

We shall see . His hubris is like like Mt Aetna . The judge , if it gets there aint going to like it .

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

You all sound like fools!
Brent is not going to jail give it a rest

He did not alter the cards
Shill bidding is not illegal
His knowledge of Moser's acts will not be able to be proven

YES he is a bad man but he will not even be charged with anything

WHO is wondering why he is still on ebay ? What a joke

Agree with almost everything you said.....except he may very well be charged....jail time slim to zero chance that is happening.

This industry will always be full of scumbags it’s sad

[steve B]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

You all sound like fools!
Brent is not going to jail give it a rest

He did not alter the cards
Shill bidding is not illegal
His knowledge of Moser's acts will not be able to be proven

YES he is a bad man but he will not even be charged with anything

WHO is wondering why he is still on ebay ? What a joke

When did they legalize shill bidding?

Maybe its ok in Nevada, but it isn't here.

[Just.Rachel]

Wow, what a great read this thread is!!!

We have a gaggle of crooks, the possibility of a stay in Club Fed, millions of dollars, family bullshit, name-calling, drug kingpins, legal mumbo-jumbo, scams so deep they have piggyback scams on top of them, corporate jerkwads giving their customers the finger...

Wooooooo

I only have one question: does this married lawyer with a girlfriend want another??

Whew, I'm going to need a cold shower now! That was the sexiest Jerry Springer show I ever read!!

PS - I couldn't find the "sarcasm font".

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Just.Rachel

Wow, what a great read this thread is!!!

We have a gaggle of crooks, the possibility of a stay in Club Fed, millions of dollars, family bullshit, name-calling, drug kingpins, legal mumbo-jumbo, scams so deep they have piggyback scams on top of them, corporate jerkwads giving their customers the finger...

Wooooooo

I only have one question: does this married lawyer with a girlfriend want another??

Whew, I'm going to need a cold shower now! That was the sexiest Jerry Springer show I ever read!!

PS - I couldn't find the "sarcasm font".

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Fixed it for you.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Fixed it for you.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

At the header of every single page of Net54, IN BOLD...

[Just.Rachel]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Fixed it for you.

Haha, a Fixer! Tell me you don't work for PWCC...

Nice recoloring job, for sure. PSA prolly wouldn't catch it.

Thanks!

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Just.Rachel

Haha, a Fixer! Tell me you don't work for PWCC...

Nice recoloring job, for sure. PSA prolly wouldn't catch it.

Thanks!

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Not at the moment, it they walk away scott free from this fiasco I might apply for a job there.

[BeanTown]

They are looking!

[Just.Rachel]

Say it ain't so!

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[Republicaninmass]

The ones that were never paid for?

[Buythatcard]

Originally Posted by Just.Rachel

Say it ain't so!

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My understanding of the PWCC vault was that it held cards that were sent in by collectors. So, how can PWCC offer these cards to the HOF to display if they didn't really own these cards?

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

My understanding of the PWCC vault was that it held cards that were sent in by collectors. So, how can PWCC offer these cards to the HOF to display if they didn't really own these cards?

I’m sure they didn’t offer the cards for display without the owner’s knowledge.

[Just.Rachel]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

My understanding of the PWCC vault was that it held cards that were sent in by collectors. So, how can PWCC offer these cards to the HOF to display if they didn't really own these cards?

I'm not sure of the details. I pulled that snip from an article I saw in a quick Google search...found at baseballhall.org and written by Craig Muder.

I should've noted the source in the post with the snip. Sorry.

I'd guess pwcc owns a few cards itself, but I have no clue.

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[CuriousGeorge]

I’m a little confused as to where the line is as to what’s ok and what’s not ok? Trimming and altering is bad. Got it. How about shill bidding? Acceptable or not? He who casts stones....

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

As has been discussed elsewhere. In most places shill bidding in and of itself isn't illegal. The problem is intent and knowledge can make it illegal. Basically if you bid something up but then honor the commitment if you "accidentally" win you're fine. If you conspire with a buddy to run something up, or if you have knowledge of other's max bids and simply force them to max out, then you are breaking the law.

Read Heritage's T&C they actually come right out and state that they reserve the right to shill bid. They don't really have to say it, but, to their credit they do.

21. The Auctioneer, its affiliates, or their employees consign items to be sold in the Auction, and may bid on those lots or any other lots. Auctioneer or affiliates expressly reserve the right to modify any such bids at any time prior to the hammer based upon data made known to the Auctioneer or its affiliates. The Auctioneer may
extend advances, guarantees, or loans to certain consignors.