Uncatalogued card with team change points to different year of W573 issue

[brianp-beme]

The W573 set has always been identified as a 1922 issue, but the Type 3 card of Al DeVormer shown below conclusively points to a 1923 issue date for Type 3 cards, as Al was traded from the Yankees to the Red Sox on January 3rd, 1923. By the way, 1923 was the final major league year for DeVormer until 1927, when he played for the New York Giants (and thankfully the card designates this info in pencil on the front for everyone to see and reflect upon).

Just another cool aspect about these W573 sets, and I guess it could matter to the rookie collectors out there. For example Goose Goslin's rookie cards are considered to be in the 1922 E120 American Caramel and the W573 set. Goose has been confirmed in W573 Type 1 and Type 3, but only his Type 1 card would be issued in the same year as his E120, and Type 3 would have been issued the next year. Gabby Hartnett has his first cards in the W573 Type 2 and 1922 E120 American Caramel sets, but if his Type 3 card were to ever surface, it would have to be considered to be issued in the following year, and thus not officially a rookie card. And the same goes for Pie Traynor (whose has a single W573 card showing up in the SGC Pop report, but without an image I can't designate which Type it is, so he currently remains unconfirmed in all 3 W573 Types ).

Brian (shown is the Al DeVormer W573 Type 1 and W573 Type 3. Note the updated Boston team designation on the Type 3 card)

[brianp-beme]

See the following thread for information about W573 Type 1, Type 2 and Type 3 sets.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=278804

Brian

[oldjudge]

I don’t know the set, but part of the explanation may be that the set was issued over several years. Catalogs in the past were too quick to assign a year to a set. A prime example is the Mayo baseball set, which in fact was issued over two years. Cameo Pepsin pins were also a two year (at least) issue. I also believe that California League SF Hesses (the photographic ones) were issued over two years.

[brianp-beme]

Hi Jay, valid points, and there are certainly a lot of sets out there that were issued in multiple years. The W573 set has three distinctly different versions, one of which has never been reported before (as far as I know). There is a definite distinction between the three, especially these newly identified Type 3 cards, and I believe the DeVormer card seals the deal of these being separate issues. I have seen two Type 3 DeVormer cards, and both have Boston team designations.

Here is a scan of the three types of W573 that I detailed in my other post: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=278804 I think it is fairly easy to see each W573 type differs substantially from each other, but I have also spelled it out below

Top Row - Type 1 - B/W, hand cut, thin card stock

Middle Row - Type 2 - Either Sepia or Green tinted, hand cut, thin card stock

Bottom Row - Type 3 - B/W, machine cut, larger size than either Type 1 or 2, much heavier card stock


Brian

[h2oya311]

I literally had no idea that there were different types of W573.

Here's my Hartnett W573...Type 2 (apparently):

[brianp-beme]

Nice card Derek, and correctly identified as Type 2. I came up with the different types for W573, because it became obvious to me that all 240 cards as seen in the E120 are not available in W573. Also these different types seem to have their own separate checklist. I know the checklists I included in the original W573 thread are not complete, but then again I don't think there is a huge amount that I am missing (unless more Type 3 cards were to pop up).

And by the way, until proven otherwise, the Type 2 Hartnett you have should rightfully be considered a 1922 card, so thus qualifies as one of his rookie cards.

Brian

[Leon]

+1

Originally Posted by oldjudge

I don’t know the set, but part of the explanation may be that the set was issued over several years. Catalogs in the past were too quick to assign a year to a set. A prime example is the Mayo baseball set, which in fact was issued over two years. Cameo Pepsin pins were also a two year (at least) issue. I also believe that California League SF Hesses (the photographic ones) were issued over two years.

What about the uncut strip what type?

[brianp-beme]

Howdy, here is what I posted on the other W573 thread concerning your strip:

I only remember seeing uncut W573 strips like the one you posted, which are Black and White photos and narrow L/R, thus being a Type 1. All of the cards on that strip have been confirmed on the Type 1 list.

I added in the mention of Black and White Photos to the above excerpt from the other thread to make it clearer. I don't recall ever seeing any strips of the Green/Sepia Type 2, or the bigger L/R border and thicker paper stock Type 3.

Brian

[BuzzD]

I guess these are type 1 W573?

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by BuzzD

I guess these are type 1 W573?

Hi BuzzD, if these are thinner paper stock, which because of the hand cut and its overall look I would guess they are, these would be Type 1 and new additions to the Type 1 list.

Can you confirm that is on paper stock instead of cardboard (if you are to hold each card on one end it would slightly bend if you were to wiggle it)? Cardboard, like what is seen in Type 3, will not bend.

I will add it to the Type 1 list upon confirmation...thanks for posting!

Brian

[BuzzD]

I dug them out. Both are the same. Type 1 seems to fit best. these are heavier than copy paper for example but flexible. Maybe in the 30-50 weight range? Not that I know a lot about paper, but seems a little thinner than stock my wife uses for making greeting cards.

[brianp-beme]

The greeting card reference sold me. They are Type 1 cards. Just noticed what I did with the lists on that linked thread, and actually these two cards have already been confirmed. I still appreciate that you brought up this thread again. I like all the nuances of the W573, which is completely opposite from its sibling E120 American Caramel set that it shares the same images with...E120's are such a straightforward issue.

Have collecting fun!

Brian