HELP! Trying to find the anonymous subjects of a 1913 card

[logan_the_collector]

Hello! This is my first time posting in Net54, but I have an unusual (or maybe perfectly common) request.

I own the 1913 National Game card known as "Runner Sliding, Fielder at Bag."

https://www.psacard.com/cardfacts/ba...lder-bag/43289

The card from this set that is known as "Runner Sliding, Umpire Behind" is generally accepted as featuring Ty Cobb, but "Runner Sliding, Fielder at Bag" has not had the benefit of having identified players. I'm working to try my best to figure out who the players are, based on the few identifying features there are: mainly the uniforms and the stadium background.

Using the Baseball Hall of Fame's uniform database, I believe I have narrowed it down a bit. Since this card released in 1913, I assume the photo on the card was probably taken between 1911-1913. In 1913, though, no ball club wore a dark cap with white stripes, like the third baseman on the card (this is one of the few identifying features). In 1911, both the Washington Senators home jersey and the Detroit Tigers road jersey had hats like that. In 1912, just the Detroit Tigers road jersey did.

Washington Senators, 1911: http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.o...r&increment=18

Detroit Tigers, 1911 and 1912: http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.o...r&increment=18

Then, I looked at stadiums. I looked at every stadium the Detroit Tigers played in in 1911 and 1912, including Griffith Stadium, where the Washington Senators played. I believe of all the stadiums, Griffith Stadium looks the most like the stadium in the photo. Since I cannot find a photo of the stadium when it opened, I can only assume that the second tier of stands along the first base line was added later (since we don't see it in the photo on the card). But here is the picture with the best view of the right field corner:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...19qlQ&usqp=CAU

This leads me to believe that the third baseman (the "Fielder" in the card title) either plays for the Washington Senators or the Detroit Tigers. If it's the Tigers, then the sliding player would have to be a 1911 or 1912 Washington Senator (if the game is at Griffith Stadium). If the third baseman is a Senator, then the slider can theoretically be from any team that played at Griffith Stadium in 1911.

Can you help me determine whether I'm on the right track?

Can you tell me what stadium this is, based on what we can see of it? Or can you identify the players, or even just their teams, with any certainty?

I've tried a reverse image search, with no luck, but maybe one of you can find the original photograph somewhere with players' names identified.

Any help would be great. I'd be very appreciative. Thank you!

[GeoPoto]

I don't want to miss the opportunity to post my images of Griffith stadium. Unfortunately, both are from 1924 and don't appear to me to shed any greater light on where the photo on the National Game card was taken. Good luck!

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1643209381
https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1643209387

[atx840]

Fenway?

Similar two toned flag pole, building has similar windows, low fence, billboard on left, stands on right.

[CobbSpikedMe]

I gotta say, I think Chris may have nailed it with Fenway.



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[GasHouseGang]

I always assumed it was a Tiger player because his cap looks like Ty Cobb's on his T205 card.

[atx840]

Trying to figure out where the camera was, could be looking from first base, in this area and then cropped.

[nolemmings]

It does appear to be Fenway, which opened for MLB play in 1912, so that narrows down the time. The National Game cards had a patent date of March 25, 1913. They were likely produced no later than May, 1913, and probably have pictures from before the patent date, so that would narrow it to the 1912 season. Look up the game logs and stories of Tigers at Red Sox from 1912 and you may be able to figure it out. A quick glance at the Boston Globe from 8/21/1912 had a game summary from the prior day that mentioned a play in the sixth inning where Speaker hit a shot to 3b and Charlie Deal threw the ball into right field, allowing Tris to move all the way around to third. Maybe that's your play, but of course there are several other games to review.

[CobbSpikedMe]

The uniforms look to agree with a Detroit at Boston game in 1912. The third baseman for Detroit was Charlie Deal on 08/20/12 and it looks like the play is at third based on where the camera is looking at the left-center field. It looks like it could be Charlie based on the ears and general shape of his head. Charlie was also right handed so the gloved left hand in the image on the card agrees with that as well.

Charlie is pictured below.


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