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07-01-2009, 11:24 AM
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Supposed List of Players Who Tested Positive in 2003 Leaked?
This is the rumored list of the names as listed on Rotoworld which hit yesterday I believe.
http://forums.rotoworld.com/index.php?showtopic=138280 Please note that this is not confirmed nor have I seen SI or ESPN pick up the story at all. However, for anyone who is curious of who Rotoworld has named, here is the list... 1.Nomar Garciaparra 2.Manny Ramirez 3.Johnny Damon 4.Trot Nixon 5.David Ortiz 6.Shea Hillenbrand 7.Derek Lowe 8.Pedro Martinez 9.Brian Roberts 10.Jay Gibbons 11.Melvin Mora 12.Jerry Hairston 13.Jason Giambi 14.Alfonso Soriano 15.Raul Mondesi 16. Aaron Boone 17.Andy Pettitte 18.Jose Contreras 19.Roger Clemens 20.Carlos Delgado 21.Vernon Wells 22.Frank Catalanotto 23.Kenny Rogers 24.Magglio Ordonez 25.Sandy Alomar 26.Bartolo Colon 27.Brent Abernathy 28.Jose Lima 29.Milton Bradley 30.Casey Blake 31.Danys Baez 32.Craig Monroe 33.Dmitri Young 34.Alex Sanchez 35.Eric Chavez 36.Miguel Tejada 37.Eric Byrnes 38.Jose Guillen 39.Keith Foulke 40.Ricardo Rincon 41.Bret Boone 42.Mike Cameron 43.Randy Winn 44.Ryan Franklin 45.Freddy Garcia 46.Rafael Soriano 47.Scott Spiezio 48.Troy Glaus 49.Francisco Rodriguez 50.Ben Weber 51.Alex Rodriguez 52.Juan Gonzalez 53.Rafael Palmeiro 54.Carl Everett 55.Javy Lopez 56.Gary Sheffield 57.Mike Hampton 58.Ivan Rodriguez 59.Derrek Lee 60.Bobby Abreu 61.Terry Adams 62.Fernando Tatis 63.Livan Hernandez 64.Hector Almonte 65.Tony Armas 66.Dan Smith 67.Roberto Alomar 68.Cliff Floyd 69.Roger Cedeno 70.Jeromy Burnitz 71.Moises Alou 72.Sammy Sosa 73.Corey Patterson 74.Carlos Zambrano 75.Mark Prior 76.Kerry Wood 77.Matt Clement 78.Antonio Alfonseca 79.Juan Cruz 80.Aramis Ramirez 81.Craig Wilson 82.Kris Benson 83.Richie Sexson 84.Geoff Jenkins 85.Valerio de los Santos 86.Benito Santiago 87.Rich Aurilia 88.Barry Bonds 89.Andres Galarraga 90.Jason Schmidt 91.Felix Rodriguez 92.Jason Christiansen 93.Matt Herges 94.Paul Lo Duca 95.Shawn Green 96.Oliver Perez 97.Adrian Beltre 98.Eric Gagne 99.Guillermo Mota 100.Luis Gonzalez 101.Todd Helton 102.Ryan Klesko 103.Gary Matthews 104.Oliver Perez
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07-01-2009, 11:42 AM
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I saw that list as well. Seems like a disproportionately high percentage of stars, especially in comparison with the disproportionately LOW percentage of stars who have tested positive and been suspended since.
-Al
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07-01-2009, 11:45 AM
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Al - agreed 100%. Also, note that Grimsley's name does not appear on the list even though it was confirmed he was on the supposed list. I also find it interesting that no major news agencies have picked up on this if the sources were legit. I did note some local newspapers have run with the story so it is causing some stir.
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07-01-2009, 12:03 PM
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I think this is going to be an issue for a long time. The Players' Union really screwed up in keeping that list, and now they're receiving a lot of pressure to release the whole thing. But releasing the whole thing will cast a shadow on 102 more careers. It's a shame, really.
-Al
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07-01-2009, 03:07 PM
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Jeff, it is a shame, but I'm of the belief that the percentage of ballplayers who use/d PEDs in the late 90s and early 00s was much, much higher than what the test would indicate. Like, closer to 100% than to 0%. So it's a shame that 104 guys have to take the fall for a problem that was/is rampant throughout the game.
-Al
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07-01-2009, 03:19 PM
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Unfortunately they got caught doing something that there was previously no punishment for, and unfortunately MLB (in my opinion) condoned the behavior by turning a blind eye in the wake of the Sosa/McGwire race.
The policy is still riddled with holes; besides the fact that there is currently no test for HGH, the banned substance list contains a host of chemicals that are present in OTC supplements and others that are legal in other countries (look at the large number of Latin American players who have been suspended; many stated that they took supplements purchased in their home countries at drug or health food stores). The punishment is also weak; even a 50-game suspension for someone making millions of dollars is certainly not an incentive when a multimillion dollar contract is at stake. The risk:reward ratio still favors the user. If MLB wants to get serious about the "problem" they will push for a lifetime ban for first offenders and users of HGH, and stop granting medical exceptions for drugs like Ritalin unless a league doctor verifies it is medically necessary. Until that happens, I'll keep watching baseball and I'll keep marveling at the skills of guys like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, because I assume they played on a level playing field. -Al
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07-01-2009, 03:37 PM
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Are there any Red Sox that did NOT make the list?
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07-01-2009, 03:52 PM
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Wouldn't the only way it was a level playing field be if everyone was doing it? I concur that MLB shares the burden as they knew something was up but chose the heightened attendance and interest in their sport recovering from work stoppages. I also enjoy/love watching baseball and will continue to and continue to believe that Clemens and Bonds were cheating regradless of how marvelous their feets (and feats). This hasn't killed my love of baseball, only reinforced the need to be a cynic regarding anything where oodles of money are involved.
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07-01-2009, 04:05 PM
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I'll play devil's advocate here, although I am in no way condoning usage of these drugs.
The only reason that the Players Union agreed to these tests were to see the extent of the problem. The condition of the tests mandated that the results would remain confidential. For 5+ years MLB kept their end of the deal. The results indicated a problem at a level that caused the current testing program to kick in. This system worked as it was designed to. Flash forward to 2008-2009. Congress gets involved and subpoenas the records. Less than 6 months later, we've had nothing but leaks and innuendos. First ARod. Then Sosa. Now 102 other guys. If my name was on that list, guilty or not, I'd be looking for someone to sue!
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07-01-2009, 04:10 PM
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Jim
You're no devil, I don't disagree with what you say. The Union and MLB were complicit, the results (on field) were just too significant for any thinking fan to not realize that there was a stench in the air. The names however should not have been leaked. However to me it is still very reasonable to cast a jaundiced eye toward anything of an eye-popping nature over the last two decades.
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07-01-2009, 07:22 PM
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It's a good thing they had several months warning that the test was coming. The smart ones went off the juice before testing.
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07-01-2009, 09:21 PM
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As I understand it, the reason why the Players' Union didn't destroy the list immediately, as they were supposed to, was because they spent so much time trying to get players REMOVED from it. When they received the list, they fought every name, defending each player and their positive tests (claiming false positives, OTC drugs, prescription drugs, etc). The way I heard the story, the original list was more than 104 players.
In fighting to get players removed from the list, the list was never destroyed. Or something like that. And Jeff, yes, in order to have a level playing field, everyone would have to be doing it. That's exactly what I'm implying. -Al
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07-01-2009, 09:30 PM
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