Mantle 1953 PSA : here is why you should never put cards is heavy screw downs OUCH

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Here is what you need to do:

Buy some 1953 Topps commons from eBay. Once they arrive, then compare their thickness to your Mantle. If you notice a big difference in size, then there is your answer. If you don't, then there might be another reason why it got rejected.



That's bullsh*t - you actually believe that? If PSA had that many graders examining a single card, then you wouldn't see all those trimmed cards sitting inside their holders. Think about it. If the first grader fails to spot the trimming, then at least the second one would catch it or the third grader would catch it, right? It's obvious that only one grader examines the card and he does it very quickly. Let's not forget that PSA has trillions of cards being sent to them each year and it's just not possible for them to have two, three or even four graders examine a single card - they don't have the time for this!

please do not shoot the messenger , I just relaying what I was told
I did not believe her either ,
also
first of all the first thing I did was check the size against several 1953 cards I had 100% identical , did not check the thickness , do not have a micrometer , maybe being in heavy screw down holder squeezed the stock
but one thing I know If I tried to sell the card raw A i would get fraction of its potential value , (B) most people would question why I did not get it graded , so I did what made sense to me ,
at least its real , and has great centering all round .
I have had 3 decent offers , I wonder if that would be the case if I tried to sell it raw

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by megalimey

please do not shoot the messenger , I just relaying what I was told
I did not believe her either ,
also
first of all the first thing I did was check the size against several 1953 cards I had 100% identical , did not check the thickness , do not have a micrometer , maybe being in heavy screw down holder squeezed the stock
but one thing I know If I tried to sell the card raw A i would get fraction of its potential value , (B) most people would question why I did not get it graded , so I did what made sense to me ,
at least its real , and has great centering all round .
I have had 3 decent offers , I wonder if that would be the case if I tried to sell it raw

Sorry if I sounded a little aggressive.

You don't need a micrometer to check for card thickness. Here is what I normally do: when it's dark outside, I sit next to the nightlight in my room and just compare the thickness of the cards using my loupe. Start by looking at the thickness of all four corners and then start examining the edges. I understand that the Mantle is already encapsulated, but you should still be able to tilt the holder and see the thickness of the corners and edges.

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Sorry if I sounded a little aggressive.

You don't need a micrometer to check for card thickness. Here is what I normally do: when it's dark outside, I sit next to the nightlight in my room and just compare the thickness of the cards using my loupe. Start by looking at the thickness of all four corners and then start examining the edges. I understand that the Mantle is already encapsulated, but you should still be able to tilt the holder and see the thickness of the corners and edges.

will try to check it out as you mentioned

but ultimately as they say "it was it is" I will leave it in the holder
and try to sell it as is , thankfully its not an ugly beater (PSA AUTHENTIC ALTERED) that I have seen sell for over $500

[campyfan39]

PSA and grading in general sucks IMO
Screw downs are a beautiful way to display cards. In holders the first thing you look at is the label and the "grade"
I remember being with my Dad at a card show in the late 80's or early 90's where there were coins and he said "they will never do that to cards as it takes away the beauty."
Sadly Dad died 16 years ago but thankfully he didn't ever see a graded card. Good luck to you as that is a beautiful Mantle. Screw what some third party says

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

PSA and grading in general sucks IMO
Screw downs are a beautiful way to display cards. In holders the first thing you look at is the label and the "grade"
I remember being with my Dad at a card show in the late 80's or early 90's where there were coins and he said "they will never do that to cards as it takes away the beauty."
Sadly Dad died 16 years ago but thankfully he didn't ever see a graded card. Good luck to you as that is a beautiful Mantle. Screw what some third party says

thanks for the compliment on the card ,
I understand about grading , however having a decent looking 1953 Topps Mantle , a high value card, not graded or slabbed many potential buyers get skittish , and will not pay a premium , or ask why is it not slabbed ??
vintage pre 1960 mid graded NON MINT cards seem to be very consistent in sale price , raw mid grade cards from same era are all over the place in prices .

[campyfan39]

Originally Posted by megalimey

thanks for the compliment on the card ,
I understand about grading , however having a decent looking 1953 Topps Mantle , a high value card, not graded or slabbed many potential buyers get skittish , and will not pay a premium , or ask why is it not slabbed ??
vintage pre 1960 mid graded NON MINT cards seem to be very consistent in sale price , raw mid grade cards from same era are all over the place in prices .

Understood and not criticizing you in any way. I am just an old man in a 46 year old body haha. Good luck with the sale!

[bigfanNY]

Because the OP used a direct quote from me I feel that I must clarify. The cards that I got back from PSA as N9 Altered stock were not in holders. The N in N9 is ffg or non holdered. So whatever the issue with this card is I do not think it has to do with Altered stock.
One card was a 1933 Goudey Ruth so I dont think card valuecomes into play here. An N9 in my experience should not be in a holder.