NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-06-2021, 03:01 PM
frankrizzo29 frankrizzo29 is offline
Frank Bev.ilac.qua
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Ohio
Posts: 154
Default Babe Ruth vs every other card

This has been a hotly debated topic for quite some time here on net54, vintage vs modern, and we're about to find out for sure how valuable Babe Ruth cards really are. Not sure if anyone has seen heritage's upcoming auction yet, but they have a 1916 M101-5 Blank Back Sporting News Babe Ruth Rookie #151 PSA NM 7 listed to start on April 15th. In full disclosure, I do NOT own this card and it's well out of my price range, but it will be fun to break out the popcorn and watch the bidding begin. How high does everyone think it'll go? My guess is that it'll easily surpass $8 million, and that there's a good chance we could see the first official card sale over $10 million on this one. My official guess is $12 million. Thoughts?

Last edited by frankrizzo29; 04-06-2021 at 03:21 PM. Reason: Spelling
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-06-2021, 03:03 PM
frankrizzo29 frankrizzo29 is offline
Frank Bev.ilac.qua
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Ohio
Posts: 154
Default

What is also noteworthy is that there's a honus wagner in the same auction. Should be a great night to watch!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-06-2021, 06:15 PM
mrreality68's Avatar
mrreality68 mrreality68 is offline
Jeffrey Kuhr
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 5,607
Default

Hi

What is even more nuts is the last time in 2016 a 7 sold for 717k in 2015 one sold for $552k and in 2018 sold for $384k.

So for one to sell in Heritage in the millions is just a major jump in price in such a relatively short time is amazing.

I am hoping Ruth takes the crown and holds it versus the modern cards.

In the interest of transparency I am biased because I have a PSA 4 so I have interest as it helps increase the value of all the others like mine
__________________
Thanks all

Jeff Kuhr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250058@N05/

Looking for
1920 Heading Home Ruth Cards
1933 Uncle Jacks Candy Babe Ruth Card
1921 Frederick Foto Ruth
Joe Jackson Cards 1916 Advertising Backs
1910 Old Mills Joe Jackson
1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
1911 Pinkerton Joe Jackson
Shoeless Joe Jackson Autograph
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-06-2021, 06:33 PM
Rhotchkiss's Avatar
Rhotchkiss Rhotchkiss is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 4,255
Default

I don’t think the Ruth will get anywhere near $8mm, let alone $11mm. In fact, I believe the Wagner 1 outperforms the Ruth 7, by a fairly wide margin. And I am biased on both because I have a Wagner and a Ruth.

I think the Ruth goes for $1.3mm and the Wagner for $2.3mm (a slight step back from the $2.5mm realized by the “A” last month). Both cards are absolute beasts and they should sell for $8mm given what some modern cards are trading, but that’s my prediction; I would be delighted if I am wrong and Babe goes for $8mm.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-06-2021, 06:43 PM
Tao_Moko's Avatar
Tao_Moko Tao_Moko is offline
Er1c Sh@rp.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Floyd, VA
Posts: 1,271
Default

I think Ruth could surpass two million pretty easily in this market. Add a million for Wagner. Weird times my friends.
__________________
"Chicago Cubs fans are 90% scar tissue". -GFW
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-06-2021, 07:23 PM
Scocs Scocs is offline
Scott
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 462
Default

The 1914 Baltimore News card certainly would!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-06-2021, 08:46 PM
Vintageclout Vintageclout is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 516
Default Ruth Riokie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss View Post
I don’t think the Ruth will get anywhere near $8mm, let alone $11mm. In fact, I believe the Wagner 1 outperforms the Ruth 7, by a fairly wide margin. And I am biased on both because I have a Wagner and a Ruth.

I think the Ruth goes for $1.3mm and the Wagner for $2.3mm (a slight step back from the $2.5mm realized by the “A” last month). Both cards are absolute beasts and they should sell for $8mm given what some modern cards are trading, but that’s my prediction; I would be delighted if I am wrong and Babe goes for $8mm.
Ryan - not even close. The Ruth 7 on a bad day will fetch roughly $3 million. A soiled “6” realized nearly $1 million in memory lane so it serves to reason, the 7 should end up at least 3x that amount....and probably more.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-06-2021, 09:49 PM
pokerplyr80's Avatar
pokerplyr80 pokerplyr80 is offline
je.sse @rnot
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: California
Posts: 3,914
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vintageclout View Post
Ryan - not even close. The Ruth 7 on a bad day will fetch roughly $3 million. A soiled “6” realized nearly $1 million in memory lane so it serves to reason, the 7 should end up at least 3x that amount....and probably more.
I am willing to bet against that. $500 and I will give you 2.9M and up.
__________________
Successful transactions with peter spaeth, don's cards, vwtdi, wolf441, 111gecko, Clydewally, Jim, SPMIDD, MattyC, jmb, botn, E107collector, begsu1013, and a few others.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-07-2021, 12:18 AM
brianp-beme's Avatar
brianp-beme brianp-beme is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 7,532
Default

Not in my league (or even stratosphere), but traditionally blank back M101 cards in general have not been considered as desirable to collectors, so I don't see it going for more than a T206 Wagner. Of course in this market who knows, and the Ruth train has definitely gained super train momentum.

Brian
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-07-2021, 03:55 AM
Rhotchkiss's Avatar
Rhotchkiss Rhotchkiss is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 4,255
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vintageclout View Post
Ryan - not even close. The Ruth 7 on a bad day will fetch roughly $3 million. A soiled “6” realized nearly $1 million in memory lane so it serves to reason, the 7 should end up at least 3x that amount....and probably more.
Joe, first, the OP states the Ruth could easily surpass $8mm- zero chance. Second, the one in ML was a sporting news back and the 7 is a blank, the former being significantly more desirable; at worst a blank back 7 is equal to a sporting news back 6 (just under $1mm for a soiled one). I agree with Jesse, if you are putting the over/under at $2.9mm, I am betting the house on the under. The card will go for a lot of money, and no doubt set a record for a blank back 7, but I am capping it at $1.5mm and think it goes south of that. I would have no problem being wrong. We will see

Last edited by Rhotchkiss; 04-07-2021 at 03:57 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-07-2021, 04:37 AM
benjulmag benjulmag is offline
CoreyRS.hanus
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 750
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss View Post
Joe, first, the OP states the Ruth could easily surpass $8mm- zero chance. Second, the one in ML was a sporting news back and the 7 is a blank, the former being significantly more desirable; at worst a blank back 7 is equal to a sporting news back 6 (just under $1mm for a soiled one). I agree with Jesse, if you are putting the over/under at $2.9mm, I am betting the house on the under. The card will go for a lot of money, and no doubt set a record for a blank back 7, but I am capping it at $1.5mm and think it goes south of that. I would have no problem being wrong. We will see
What surprised me the most upon seeing this listing was the $4M estimated value, which suggests either the consignor doesn't care if it sells or he/she is into the card for a lot of money. It is a gorgeous card, though it does have a print line which might turn some people off. I agree with the assessment that the sporting news back in the one ML recently sold compensates to at least some degree for the lower numerical grade. If I'm a betting man, and if the reserve is some very high level as I suspect it is, I do not think the card will sell. If it does sell, I can't imagine how high a BN Ruth could potentially go.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-07-2021, 05:54 AM
TUM301 TUM301 is offline
H Murphy
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Western Mass
Posts: 1,183
Default Ruth

Not sure if any of these Ruth cards snuff the "modern stuff", but I`m with Scott. It would be really interesting, and eye opening, to see the next Baltimore News Ruth come up for auction.
__________________
H Murphy Collection https://www.flickr.com/photos/154296763@N05/

Last edited by TUM301; 04-07-2021 at 05:54 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-07-2021, 06:00 AM
ullmandds's Avatar
ullmandds ullmandds is offline
pete ullman
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: saint paul, mn
Posts: 11,237
Default

i agree with he sentiment that this ruth card will likely not sell...if it does it will not fetch more than 2 mill...imo. Yes...a baltimore news ruth would certainly be exciting...can't be too long b4 one hits the blocks!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-07-2021, 03:43 PM
Touch'EmAll Touch'EmAll is online now
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,034
Default Help, thanks

Pardon me, you guys are quite knowledgeable - what you think on current value of a 1925 Champions Exhibit Ruth PSA 5, 1 of 1 none higher. In today's market gonna guess close to $20.k, but I could be way off either way. Thx

Steve Parmentier
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-07-2021, 05:12 PM
ullmandds's Avatar
ullmandds ullmandds is offline
pete ullman
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: saint paul, mn
Posts: 11,237
Default

Babe ruth almost always wins vs every other card!!!

I love the 25 exhibit...tough to say? Theres one at auction right now...lower grade...id think yours is easily 15k?
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 04-07-2021, 05:44 PM
pokerplyr80's Avatar
pokerplyr80 pokerplyr80 is offline
je.sse @rnot
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: California
Posts: 3,914
Default

A great card to be sure, one of the most important and iconic in the hobby and obviously high grade. Way out of my league. I think Ryan has the expected sale price about right, but you never know.

Taking bets under $2.5M
__________________
Successful transactions with peter spaeth, don's cards, vwtdi, wolf441, 111gecko, Clydewally, Jim, SPMIDD, MattyC, jmb, botn, E107collector, begsu1013, and a few others.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 04-07-2021, 07:30 PM
frankrizzo29 frankrizzo29 is offline
Frank Bev.ilac.qua
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Ohio
Posts: 154
Default

My original post was meant to get the dialog going. My personal opinion is that the card market is at a very interesting turning point. I believe one of two things will happen with this sale. First scenario is that it plays out exactly as Ryan outlined and that a "traditional" collector buys the card. If that's the case, I think the low pricing scenario wins out. The second scenario is that I believe big money pools have already entered the sportscard market. They have really large sums that they need to "invest", especially as they continue to gather new money. It's much easier for them to do so on a big card than many $10k cards. If that's the case, than this card has the potential to really take off. What makes this auction interesting is that there's a second significant card for auction, and I would even say a more significant card, with the wagner. This may keep a lid on a really crazy price from happening for either card. Nonetheless, it will be fun to watch.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 04-07-2021, 07:37 PM
YankeeCollector's Avatar
YankeeCollector YankeeCollector is offline
Jim
Ja.mes Merm.igis
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Oyster Bay, NY
Posts: 293
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll View Post
Pardon me, you guys are quite knowledgeable - what you think on current value of a 1925 Champions Exhibit Ruth PSA 5, 1 of 1 none higher. In today's market gonna guess close to $20.k, but I could be way off either way. Thx

Steve Parmentier
I have a 5.5 1925 Champions Exhibit Babe Ruth. (Highest Graded!)

I think a 5 is certainly close to 20k, at least!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 04-07-2021, 07:46 PM
Touch'EmAll Touch'EmAll is online now
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,034
Default

Congrats on the 5.5 grade 1925 Ruth. Did you send it to PSA yourself - how recent? Dag nabbit, I had the highest for quite some time ... now it's your turn to own the best. Gee, you look familiar - think I bought your W502 Ruth PSA 5 years ago ???

Last edited by Touch'EmAll; 04-07-2021 at 07:47 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 04-07-2021, 07:58 PM
YankeeCollector's Avatar
YankeeCollector YankeeCollector is offline
Jim
Ja.mes Merm.igis
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Oyster Bay, NY
Posts: 293
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll View Post
Congrats on the 5.5 grade 1925 Ruth. Did you send it to PSA yourself - how recent? Dag nabbit, I had the highest for quite some time ... now it's your turn to own the best. Gee, you look familiar - think I bought your W502 Ruth PSA 5 years ago ???
I sent it myself a few months ago!

I wouldnt sell that card if i were you! Undervalued and very scarce.!m never selling mine!
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 04-07-2021, 08:02 PM
YankeeCollector's Avatar
YankeeCollector YankeeCollector is offline
Jim
Ja.mes Merm.igis
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Oyster Bay, NY
Posts: 293
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by frankrizzo29 View Post
This has been a hotly debated topic for quite some time here on net54, vintage vs modern, and we're about to find out for sure how valuable Babe Ruth cards really are. Not sure if anyone has seen heritage's upcoming auction yet, but they have a 1916 M101-5 Blank Back Sporting News Babe Ruth Rookie #151 PSA NM 7 listed to start on April 15th. In full disclosure, I do NOT own this card and it's well out of my price range, but it will be fun to break out the popcorn and watch the bidding begin. How high does everyone think it'll go? My guess is that it'll easily surpass $8 million, and that there's a good chance we could see the first official card sale over $10 million on this one. My official guess is $12 million. Thoughts?
Compared to modern cards, I think Babe Ruth is still very undervalued! I think your prediction is ambitious but Ruths are on their way! The sky is the limit for the Babe!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 04-08-2021, 03:31 AM
Schlesinj Schlesinj is online now
Jamie
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: PA
Posts: 544
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll View Post
Congrats on the 5.5 grade 1925 Ruth. Did you send it to PSA yourself - how recent? Dag nabbit, I had the highest for quite some time ... now it's your turn to own the best. Gee, you look familiar - think I bought your W502 Ruth PSA 5 years ago ???
A 1 just sold for $3800 range last week on SGC auctions.
__________________
BST h2oya311, Jobu, Shoeless Moe, Bumpus Jones, Frankish, Shoeless Moe again, Maddux31, Billycards, sycks22, ballparks, VintageBen (for a friend), vpina87, JimmyC, scmavl
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 04-12-2021, 04:44 AM
mrreality68's Avatar
mrreality68 mrreality68 is offline
Jeffrey Kuhr
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 5,607
Default

Should be interesting.
The Heritage bidding openings this morning and opening Bid on Wagner is $500k and the opening bid on the Ruth is $1,000,000.
__________________
Thanks all

Jeff Kuhr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250058@N05/

Looking for
1920 Heading Home Ruth Cards
1933 Uncle Jacks Candy Babe Ruth Card
1921 Frederick Foto Ruth
Joe Jackson Cards 1916 Advertising Backs
1910 Old Mills Joe Jackson
1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
1911 Pinkerton Joe Jackson
Shoeless Joe Jackson Autograph
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 04-12-2021, 09:05 AM
Jcosta19's Avatar
Jcosta19 Jcosta19 is offline
Justin
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 658
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrreality68 View Post
Should be interesting.

The Heritage bidding openings this morning and opening Bid on Wagner is $500k and the opening bid on the Ruth is $1,000,000.
Already at 1.38mil with the premium.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 04-12-2021, 09:25 AM
darwinbulldog's Avatar
darwinbulldog darwinbulldog is offline
Glenn
Glen.n Sch.ey-d
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: South Florida
Posts: 3,231
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by frankrizzo29 View Post
They have really large sums that they need to "invest", especially as they continue to gather new money. It's much easier for them to do so on a big card than many $10k cards.
I haven't quite adjusted to $10k being a cheap card, but it's been quite a ride for the hobby since I got started.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 04-12-2021, 10:09 AM
mrreality68's Avatar
mrreality68 mrreality68 is offline
Jeffrey Kuhr
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 5,607
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by YankeeCollector View Post
Compared to modern cards, I think Babe Ruth is still very undervalued! I think your prediction is ambitious but Ruths are on their way! The sky is the limit for the Babe!!!!
THIS IS A Close Race to Sky is the Limit

Wagner is at $1.2 million (with BIP) and Ruth is at $1.5 million (With BIP) in the first few hours of the auction.

Who will win this Race
__________________
Thanks all

Jeff Kuhr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250058@N05/

Looking for
1920 Heading Home Ruth Cards
1933 Uncle Jacks Candy Babe Ruth Card
1921 Frederick Foto Ruth
Joe Jackson Cards 1916 Advertising Backs
1910 Old Mills Joe Jackson
1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
1911 Pinkerton Joe Jackson
Shoeless Joe Jackson Autograph
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 04-12-2021, 10:34 AM
Fuddjcal Fuddjcal is offline
Chuck Tapia
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2,079
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrreality68 View Post
THIS IS A Close Race to Sky is the Limit

Wagner is at $1.2 million (with BIP) and Ruth is at $1.5 million (With BIP) in the first few hours of the auction.

Who will win this Race
What is the BIP over there? For that matter, What is a Bip? Seriously not familiar with the term as I have never purchased at an auction house.
Is Bip Roberts PSA 10 included in the sale? Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 04-12-2021, 10:51 AM
mrreality68's Avatar
mrreality68 mrreality68 is offline
Jeffrey Kuhr
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 5,607
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuddjcal View Post
What is the BIP over there? For that matter, What is a Bip? Seriously not familiar with the term as I have never purchased at an auction house.
Is Bip Roberts PSA 10 included in the sale? Thanks
SORRY I Meant BP for Buyers Premium. IT is the 20% BP that is added on to the auction bid amount. So the Ruth Card has a $1,250,000 bid and there is a $250,000 Buyers Premium for the Total Auction price of $1.5 million with 24 days left to go in the auction
__________________
Thanks all

Jeff Kuhr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250058@N05/

Looking for
1920 Heading Home Ruth Cards
1933 Uncle Jacks Candy Babe Ruth Card
1921 Frederick Foto Ruth
Joe Jackson Cards 1916 Advertising Backs
1910 Old Mills Joe Jackson
1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
1911 Pinkerton Joe Jackson
Shoeless Joe Jackson Autograph
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 04-12-2021, 05:41 PM
SD's Avatar
SD SD is offline
Derek
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: San Diego
Posts: 269
Default If you've never seen this Tony & Bip Skit before..

Your missing out.
RIP TONY.
https://youtu.be/cp3ly2wQC1I


Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuddjcal View Post
What is the BIP over there? For that matter, What is a Bip? Seriously not familiar with the term as I have never purchased at an auction house.
Is Bip Roberts PSA 10 included in the sale? Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 04-12-2021, 07:36 PM
Fuddjcal Fuddjcal is offline
Chuck Tapia
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2,079
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrreality68 View Post
SORRY I Meant BP for Buyers Premium. IT is the 20% BP that is added on to the auction bid amount. So the Ruth Card has a $1,250,000 bid and there is a $250,000 Buyers Premium for the Total Auction price of $1.5 million with 24 days left to go in the auction
I spent 10 minutes on the Heritage site initially and signed up as a bidder. Still could not find it was 20%. That's a stiffy and out of my realm of possibilities. Appreciate you passing the knowledge forward. Thanks!

Last edited by Fuddjcal; 04-12-2021 at 07:36 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 04-12-2021, 07:38 PM
Fuddjcal Fuddjcal is offline
Chuck Tapia
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2,079
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SD View Post
Your missing out.
RIP TONY.
https://youtu.be/cp3ly2wQC1I
That's funny as hell. Never saw that before. Thanks for sharing,
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 04-13-2021, 01:24 AM
Stampsfan's Avatar
Stampsfan Stampsfan is offline
Bob Davies
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 1,118
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuddjcal View Post
That's funny as hell. Never saw that before. Thanks for sharing,
+1

Very cool.
__________________
Successful transactions on Net54 with balltrash, greenmonster66; Peter_Spaeth; robw1959; Stetson_1883; boxcar18; Blackie
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 04-13-2021, 10:22 AM
benjulmag benjulmag is offline
CoreyRS.hanus
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 750
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrreality68 View Post
THIS IS A Close Race to Sky is the Limit

Wagner is at $1.2 million (with BIP) and Ruth is at $1.5 million (With BIP) in the first few hours of the auction.

Who will win this Race
For both of these cards, unless the card sells, as I interpret Heritage's terms and conditions one will not know which if any of the bids were "real" bids or house bids. This is because until the item reaches its reserve price the AH can place house bids. This practice is hardly confined to Heritage (e.g., Sothebys and Christies do the same thing, as do other prominent AHs that specialize in sport cards and memorabilia).

I suspect the Wagner will sell, and if it does unless the consignor was the purchaser, an expensive proposition since to do so requires payment of the full BP and SP, the sale will provide useful information as to the market value of Wagners. But for the Ruth, if it doesn't sell, and I am skeptical it will, I don't see how on its face the auction will provide any information as to the market value of M101-4/5 Ruths.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 04-13-2021, 09:59 PM
Exhibitman's Avatar
Exhibitman Exhibitman is offline
Ad@m W@r$h@w
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Beautiful Downtown Burbank
Posts: 13,042
Default

Anyone marvel at the fact that we are so used to $10,000 and even $100,000 sales that our current thrill is watching new seven-figure sales every week?

It's just baseball cards, damnit, it's just baseball cards!
__________________
Read my blog; it will make all your dreams come true.

https://adamstevenwarshaw.substack.com/

Or not...
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 04-14-2021, 12:01 PM
mrreality68's Avatar
mrreality68 mrreality68 is offline
Jeffrey Kuhr
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 5,607
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss View Post
Joe, first, the OP states the Ruth could easily surpass $8mm- zero chance. Second, the one in ML was a sporting news back and the 7 is a blank, the former being significantly more desirable; at worst a blank back 7 is equal to a sporting news back 6 (just under $1mm for a soiled one). I agree with Jesse, if you are putting the over/under at $2.9mm, I am betting the house on the under. The card will go for a lot of money, and no doubt set a record for a blank back 7, but I am capping it at $1.5mm and think it goes south of that. I would have no problem being wrong. We will see
Hi Ryan

might be close on the betting the house on the under. Looks like you might be wrong in a positive way for your cards. Early in the bidding and the Ruth is already almost $2.1 million with BP and the Wagner close behind at almost $1.9 million with BP
__________________
Thanks all

Jeff Kuhr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250058@N05/

Looking for
1920 Heading Home Ruth Cards
1933 Uncle Jacks Candy Babe Ruth Card
1921 Frederick Foto Ruth
Joe Jackson Cards 1916 Advertising Backs
1910 Old Mills Joe Jackson
1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
1911 Pinkerton Joe Jackson
Shoeless Joe Jackson Autograph
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 04-14-2021, 12:05 PM
Frankish Frankish is offline
Fr@.nk T.ot.@
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Posts: 362
Default

Ruth never fails. I am curious to see where this auction goes.

In the recent Henry Yee ebay auction, I was second bid on a really nice Ruth type 1 photo. Clearly, I underestimated the market appetite. Now I regret not bidding higher....

Last edited by Frankish; 04-14-2021 at 12:05 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 04-27-2021, 07:37 PM
mrreality68's Avatar
mrreality68 mrreality68 is offline
Jeffrey Kuhr
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 5,607
Default

So an update

With 9 days to go Ruth has a $300k lead over Wagner 1,925,000 to 1,625,000 (before BP)

Any thoughts on the new final tally? Will there be a bidding war on the final day?
__________________
Thanks all

Jeff Kuhr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250058@N05/

Looking for
1920 Heading Home Ruth Cards
1933 Uncle Jacks Candy Babe Ruth Card
1921 Frederick Foto Ruth
Joe Jackson Cards 1916 Advertising Backs
1910 Old Mills Joe Jackson
1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
1911 Pinkerton Joe Jackson
Shoeless Joe Jackson Autograph
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 04-27-2021, 08:05 PM
ullmandds's Avatar
ullmandds ullmandds is offline
pete ullman
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: saint paul, mn
Posts: 11,237
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrreality68 View Post
So an update

With 9 days to go Ruth has a $300k lead over Wagner 1,925,000 to 1,625,000 (before BP)

Any thoughts on the new final tally? Will there be a bidding war on the final day?
in light of the #/100 "rare" Lebron that just sold for over 5 mill...the ruth is the bargain of the century!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 04-27-2021, 08:34 PM
Tao_Moko's Avatar
Tao_Moko Tao_Moko is offline
Er1c Sh@rp.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Floyd, VA
Posts: 1,271
Default

I'm sticking with my original thoughts of not being surprised with Ruth over 2 million and Wags over 3. Have a feeling the Wagner gets some late momentum.
__________________
"Chicago Cubs fans are 90% scar tissue". -GFW
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 04-27-2021, 11:20 PM
Casey2296's Avatar
Casey2296 Casey2296 is offline
Is Mudville so bad?
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: West Coast
Posts: 4,656
Default

Final hammer always come down to how bad two guys want it. I'm just a working class collector and this stuff is above my pay grade but I'll play. I'm a little disturbed by the Ruth 4 mil Heritage valuation and think there might be some house manipulation to get it there and their reserve is 3 mil but if they let it go here's my bet.

I'll take pokerplyr80's Ruth bet for $200 on the over.

Ruth $2,750,000 no BP
Wagner $3.125,000 no BP
__________________
Phil Lewis


https://www.flickr.com/photos/183872512@N04/
-
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 04-29-2021, 08:21 PM
joshuanip's Avatar
joshuanip joshuanip is offline
Joshua
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 539
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Casey2296 View Post
Final hammer always come down to how bad two guys want it. I'm just a working class collector and this stuff is above my pay grade but I'll play. I'm a little disturbed by the Ruth 4 mil Heritage valuation and think there might be some house manipulation to get it there and their reserve is 3 mil but if they let it go here's my bet.

I'll take pokerplyr80's Ruth bet for $200 on the over.

Ruth $2,750,000 no BP
Wagner $3.125,000 no BP
Not sure what the Ruth will end at but this is great for the industry. This will trickle down into al of Ruth’s issues and perhaps add light and popularity to prewar...
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 04-30-2021, 12:07 AM
oldjudge's Avatar
oldjudge oldjudge is online now
j'a'y mi.ll.e.r
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Bronx
Posts: 5,353
Default

I have been told that this Ruth had previously sold privately for $3.5 million so I expect that there is plenty more upside to come. I expect the final price (including BP) to approach $4 million and I think the Ruth will outperform the Wagner.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 05-03-2021, 06:04 PM
Jcosta19's Avatar
Jcosta19 Jcosta19 is offline
Justin
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 658
Default

Reserves just posted.
Wagner will sell no matter what

Ruth reserve is 3 million. Bidding was at 1.925 before the reserve posted.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 05-03-2021, 06:15 PM
mrreality68's Avatar
mrreality68 mrreality68 is offline
Jeffrey Kuhr
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 5,607
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcosta19 View Post
Reserves just posted.
Wagner will sell no matter what

Ruth reserve is 3 million. Bidding was at 1.925 before the reserve posted.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
Now the million Dollar Question. Or is that the $3 million Questions.

Will someone take the Bid and hit the reserve and jump it to $3 million
__________________
Thanks all

Jeff Kuhr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250058@N05/

Looking for
1920 Heading Home Ruth Cards
1933 Uncle Jacks Candy Babe Ruth Card
1921 Frederick Foto Ruth
Joe Jackson Cards 1916 Advertising Backs
1910 Old Mills Joe Jackson
1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
1911 Pinkerton Joe Jackson
Shoeless Joe Jackson Autograph
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 05-04-2021, 06:03 AM
sportscardpete's Avatar
sportscardpete sportscardpete is offline
Pete
Pet.er ian.nic.elli
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: New York
Posts: 1,387
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oldjudge View Post
I have been told that this Ruth had previously sold privately for $3.5 million so I expect that there is plenty more upside to come. I expect the final price (including BP) to approach $4 million and I think the Ruth will outperform the Wagner.
Do you know when that sale happened? Thank you for sharing that is good intel.
__________________
Looking for:

W600 Cobb and Wagner
Sporting News/Collins McCarthy Jackson
Seamless Cobb rookie
Low Grade Ruth rookie

Cards:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/189414509@N08/albums
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 05-05-2021, 06:19 AM
mrreality68's Avatar
mrreality68 mrreality68 is offline
Jeffrey Kuhr
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 5,607
Default

$3 million dollar reserve and approx 36 hours to go.

Do we think anyone will take it at the reserve price? That would be a 50% jump from where the bidding was at before the reserve was revealed?
__________________
Thanks all

Jeff Kuhr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250058@N05/

Looking for
1920 Heading Home Ruth Cards
1933 Uncle Jacks Candy Babe Ruth Card
1921 Frederick Foto Ruth
Joe Jackson Cards 1916 Advertising Backs
1910 Old Mills Joe Jackson
1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
1911 Pinkerton Joe Jackson
Shoeless Joe Jackson Autograph
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 05-07-2021, 09:18 AM
molenick's Avatar
molenick molenick is online now
Michael
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 674
Default

So did Honus win? His card sold for $2,280,000 and it looks like Ruth did not sell and is a "buy it now" at $3.6M. I don't recall what the Ruth bidding was up to before the reserve kicked in.
__________________
My avatar is a drawing of a 1958 Topps Hank Aaron by my daughter. If you are interested in one in a similar style based on the card of your choice, details can be found by searching threads with the title phrase Custom Baseball Card Artwork or by PMing me.
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 05-07-2021, 09:28 AM
mrreality68's Avatar
mrreality68 mrreality68 is offline
Jeffrey Kuhr
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 5,607
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by molenick View Post
So did Honus win? His card sold for $2,280,000 and it looks like Ruth did not sell and is a "buy it now" at $3.6M. I don't recall what the Ruth bidding was up to before the reserve kicked in.
It was really close

It was $1,925,000 (with BP $2,310,00)

To me the Winner is the Wagner because it sold while the Ruth Because of the Reserve did not sell

But the "non winning" bid on the Ruth was still amazing especially since it sold a few sold in prior years at these prices 2016 a 7 sold for 717k in 2015 one sold for $552k and in 2018 sold for $384k.
__________________
Thanks all

Jeff Kuhr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250058@N05/

Looking for
1920 Heading Home Ruth Cards
1933 Uncle Jacks Candy Babe Ruth Card
1921 Frederick Foto Ruth
Joe Jackson Cards 1916 Advertising Backs
1910 Old Mills Joe Jackson
1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
1911 Pinkerton Joe Jackson
Shoeless Joe Jackson Autograph
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Baby Ruth Candy Wrapper real or fake? tuckr1 Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 8 08-21-2021 01:08 PM
OT: Card for baby?! Brian Van Horn Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 0 10-04-2012 05:07 AM
O/T ?: Curtiss Baby Ruth Candy Bar Counter Display Box baseball tourist Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used 1 02-20-2011 03:08 PM
Baby Ruth Gum Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 0 09-15-2003 08:50 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:23 AM.


ebay GSB