scam alert: fake psa cards from ebay seller "cardregistry"

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i still waiting for the half grade fake...when one of those shows up we know the floodgates have opened....and i wish PSA would implement an 'owner registry' (being informed if someone has a dup cert number out there without yourself building a card registry) as stated before.....if anyone else has ideas for PSA as AJjohnsonsox fan wants PSA to tackle the issue im sure PSA is all ears as well

With a bad Mantle 8 having been pulled from a recent auction in a new holder with the hologram, they may have opened already.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

With a bad Mantle 8 having been pulled from a recent auction in a new holder with the hologram, they may have opened already.

we know for sure that Mantle was bad? I never heard the outcome of that but i guess if its not relisted than that answers that......

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

we know for sure that Mantle was bad? I never heard the outcome of that but i guess if its not relisted than that answers that......

Yeah it was bad. Someone who had the real one apparently sounded the alarm.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah it was bad. Someone who had the real one apparently sounded the alarm.

would of been real easy if they could of been contacted on a owner registry before an auction house got duped....was the mantle fake or just a lower grade..i wonder how much the owner of the fake psa 8 mantle paid for the card or when he bought it from craigslist.... PSA seems to always say the tampering of the holder looks obvious...but not obvious to me when i see pictures

[vthobby]

He has a supposed PSA 10 Marichal Rookie and the bottom right hand corner is fuzzy!?!?!?!?!?!?

Wow!!!! Stay far away!

Peace, Mike

Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-TOPPS-J...4AAOSwqrtWmVXt


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[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

He has a supposed PSA 10 Marichal Rookie and the bottom right hand corner is fuzzy!?!?!?!?!?!?

Wow!!!! Stay far away!

Peace, Mike

Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-TOPPS-J...4AAOSwqrtWmVXt


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That hologram looks strange.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

That hologram looks strange.

They scan different ways depending on how the light reflects.

[botn]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

we know for sure that Mantle was bad? I never heard the outcome of that but i guess if its not relisted than that answers that......

I was told the Mantle was real just altered. The holder was resealed and it is PSA's stance is that it was very obvious. I am not sure that part is 100% accurate though or simply PSA trying to cover up their that their new holder can be opened and resealed. That card is linked to the Mexico operation.

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by botn

I was told the Mantle was real just altered. The holder was resealed and it is PSA's stance is that it was very obvious. I am not sure that part is 100% accurate though or simply PSA trying to cover up their that their new holder can be opened and resealed. That card is linked to the Mexico operation.

Does it have to be a situation where their holder has been opened and resealed. What if someone has been able to duplicate the holder. They then buy some low value cards in new psa holders to get a hold of the new flips with holograms and create new fake flips using the holograms that have been skinned from the real flips on the cheap cards. They then take their PSA substituted holders, put in a lower grade star card with the fabricated flip. Is that possible/probable? Does PSA make the holders on site or do they buy them from suppliers?

[brass_rat]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

Does PSA make the holders on site or do they buy them from suppliers?

The following is from the Collectors Universe annual report :

http://investors.collectors.com/secf...32&CIK=1089143

"Supplies

In order to obtain volume discounts through June 30, 2015, we have chosen to purchase substantially all of the injection-molded plastic parts for our clear plastic holders principally from two suppliers. We have chosen to order our most critical high-volume plastic part from both of these suppliers. We choose one or the other of these suppliers to manufacture other less critical parts. We typically concentrate the purchase of holders through one supplier when developing new holders. There are numerous suppliers for these parts, and we believe that, if necessary, we could obtain those parts from other suppliers without incurring significant costs. However, if it became necessary for us to obtain any parts from another supplier, we might have to arrange for the fabrication of a die for the new supplier. Fabrication of high-value precision dies can be a lengthy process. Although we do not have back-up dies for some of our high-value volume injection-molded parts, we own the dies used to manufacture the parts, and we believe the inventory of parts we maintain is sufficient to give us the time to have another supplier build the parts, should the need to do so arise or should we decide to use another supplier for certain parts."

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

Does it have to be a situation where their holder has been opened and resealed. What if someone has been able to duplicate the holder. They then buy some low value cards in new psa holders to get a hold of the new flips with holograms and create new fake flips using the holograms that have been skinned from the real flips on the cheap cards. They then take their PSA substituted holders, put in a lower grade star card with the fabricated flip. Is that possible/probable? Does PSA make the holders on site or do they buy them from suppliers?

i would imagine you could book a flight to china w/ a holder in hand and have multiple manufacturers set up w/in minutes....flips too.

ship them to mexico. grab a sonic welder, start buying up cards & voilà!

$150k in a month!

[begsu1013]

and i think the marichal is real. it has his carpet background, so that just may be psa! ; )

here is a list of items sold w/ highest prices first.

remember, this guy didn't have them "in hand"....

you will see that the first couple all have the "black background" vs his carpet background

my mantle is removed from the list, i know there was an 86 rice 10 and jeter sp 10 that seem to have disappeared from the sold list

but these are some biggies and there are probably a few more that were done direct....

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=...gistry&_sop=16

[DeanH3]

Thanks for letting us know about this this Bob. Man, these fake holders send a chill down my spine. I only know Bob from his postings here and on the CU boards, but I'm confident that he's seen enough PSA holders that if this one could have passed the eye test to him initially, these con artists are mighty sophisticated.

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

i would imagine you could book a flight to china w/ a holder in hand and have multiple manufacturers set up w/in minutes....flips too.

ship them to mexico. grab a sonic welder, start buying up cards & voilà!

$150k in a month!

I have doubts about the "I'm just a consigner" excuse. I know the seller's history looks good, but we've seen recently what greed can do to the best of them.

More importantly, consigners will soon have some liability for fraudulent auctions, and it's long overdue. Can't play the dumb-card much longer.

Otherwise, why not open an auction house, sell all of your fraudulent cards, and then say say they were someone else's cards. Oh wait, that's already been done.