NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Postwar Sportscard Forums > Watercooler Talk- ALL sports talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-21-2022, 04:05 PM
cgjackson222's Avatar
cgjackson222 cgjackson222 is offline
Charles Jackson
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,402
Default The All Underrated Team (not in the Hall of Fame)

Like the All Overrated Team, this is hopefully just for fun, so let's try to keep the bickering to a minimum.

I am defining underrated as not in the Hall of Fame. A separate list could be made of people that are in Hall of Fame, but are underrated by public perception (lower than they should be on All Time Great lists, etc.), but I think it is hard to determine public opinion.

SP: Luis Tiant
RP: Billy Wagner
C: Gene Tenace
1B: Keith Hernandez
2B: Bobby Grich
SS: Bill Dahlen
3B: Ken Boyer
LF: Lance Berkman
CF: Kenny Lofton
RF: Dwight Evans

Most of these are in a virtual tie: Kevin Brown and David Cone are other worthy starting pitchers, Dick Allen is a worthy 1B, and Lou Whitaker a worthy 2B to name a few.

Last edited by cgjackson222; 09-23-2022 at 07:09 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-21-2022, 04:14 PM
G1911 G1911 is offline
Gr.eg McCl.@y
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,305
Default

Not in the hall, removing those who are kept out for reasons of cheating concerns and not an evaluation of their play, and removing those not eligible for induction. Personally, Creighton and Barnes are 1/2 but they can't make it under the current ruleset.

I do not support the hall candidacies of all of these players.

SP Curt Schilling
SP Bob Caruthers
SP Jim McCormick
SP Luis Tiant
C Charlie Bennett
1B Fred McGriff
2B Jeff Kent
3B Ken Boyer (Rolen is likely to make it in 1-3 years)
SS Bill Dahlen, Glasscock not far behind.
LF Lance Berkman
CF Kenny Lofton
RF Bobby Abreu
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-21-2022, 04:18 PM
cgjackson222's Avatar
cgjackson222 cgjackson222 is offline
Charles Jackson
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,402
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by G1911 View Post
Not in the hall, removing those who are kept out for reasons of cheating concerns and not an evaluation of their play, and removing those not eligible for induction. Personally, Creighton and Barnes are 1/2 but they can't make it under the current ruleset.

I do not support the hall candidacies of all of these players.

SP Curt Schilling
SP Bob Caruthers
SP Jim McCormick
SP Luis Tiant
C Charlie Bennett
1B Fred McGriff
2B Jeff Kent
3B Ken Boyer (Rolen is likely to make it in 1-3 years)
SS Bill Dahlen, Glasscock not far behind.
LF Lance Berkman
CF Kenny Lofton
RF Bobby Abreu
Good point re: Scott Rolen. Yes, I meant to not include players that may be inducted in the next few years, so I removed him.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-21-2022, 04:30 PM
G1911 G1911 is offline
Gr.eg McCl.@y
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,305
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cgjackson222 View Post
Good point re: Scott Rolen. Yes, I meant to not include players that may be inducted in the next few years, so I removed him.
Abreu and Kent from my list are on the ballot too; but Kent is at 32% with 1 year to go, and Abreu is barely clinging to remaining on the ballot. Seems very unlikely either will get in by the writers. I think Rolen probably gets to 75% next year with a very weak crop of newcomers to help him. I hope he does, he deserves it.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-21-2022, 04:43 PM
Rad_Hazard's Avatar
Rad_Hazard Rad_Hazard is offline
Jeremy
Member
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: USA
Posts: 617
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cgjackson222 View Post
Like the All Overrated Team, this is hopefully just for fun, so let's try to keep the bickering to a minimum.

I am defining underrated as not in the Hall of Fame. A separate list could be made of people that are in Hall of Fame, but are underrated by public perception (lower than they should be on All Time Great lists, etc.), but I think it is hard to determine public opinion.

P: Luis Tiant
C: Gene Tenace
1B: Keith Hernandez
2B: Bobby Grich
SS: Bill Dahlen
3B: Ken Boyer
LF: Lance Berkman
CF: Kenny Lofton
RF: Dwight Evans

Most of these are in a virtual tie: Kevin Brown and David Cone are other worthy starting pitchers, Dick Allen is a worthy 1B, and Lou Whitaker a worthy 2B to name a few.
Great minds think alike! I think we were making out posts at the same time but I like your non-HOF twist.

SP - Jim McCormick - Should be in the HOF.
C - Charlie Bennett - The best defensive catcher of the 19th century by a long shot!
1B - John Olerud - One of the best pure hitters of the 90's, but didn't get the recognition because he wasn't a power hitter.
2B - Jeff Kent - Got caught up in the whirlwind that is Bonds and it's almost a footnote that he is the all time leader in HR for 2B.
SS - Jay Bell - Yet another player overshadowed by Bonds.
3B - Robin Ventura - Getting beat up by a 46 year old when you are 26 doesn't help, but Ventura was crazy good.
LF - Jeff Conine - Only player to debut with the Marlins and be on both the 97 and 03 WS teams.
CF - Kenny Lofton - The man is a HOFer, and it's not even close.
RF - Bobby Abreu - Speed and power. Very underrated and a top 20 all time RF in my opinion.
__________________
⚾️ Successful transactions with: npa589, OhioCardCollector, BaseballChuck, J56baseball, Ben Yourg, helfrich91, oldjudge, tlwise12, inceptus, gfgcom, rhodeskenm, Moonlight Graham
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-21-2022, 04:48 PM
cgjackson222's Avatar
cgjackson222 cgjackson222 is offline
Charles Jackson
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,402
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rad_Hazard View Post
Great minds think alike! I think we were making out posts at the same time but I like your non-HOF twist.

SP - Jim McCormick - Should be in the HOF.
C - Charlie Bennett - The best defensive catcher of the 19th century by a long shot!
1B - John Olerud - One of the best pure hitters of the 90's, but didn't get the recognition because he wasn't a power hitter.
2B - Jeff Kent - Got caught up in the whirlwind that is Bonds and it's almost a footnote that he is the all time leader in HR for 2B.
SS - Jay Bell - Yet another player overshadowed by Bonds.
3B - Robin Ventura - Getting beat up by a 46 year old when you are 26 doesn't help, but Ventura was crazy good.
LF - Jeff Conine - Only player to debut with the Marlins and be on both the 97 and 03 WS teams.
CF - Kenny Lofton - The man is a HOFer, and it's not even close.
RF - Bobby Abreu - Speed and power. Very underrated and a top 20 all time RF in my opinion.
Haha, yes we had the same idea at the same time! Looks like everyone agrees on Kenny Lofton so far.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-21-2022, 04:50 PM
G1911 G1911 is offline
Gr.eg McCl.@y
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,305
Default

What I really don't understand is how Lofton got 3.2% of the vote and straight fell off the ballot after one year. He was not even seriously considered by the voters.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-21-2022, 06:21 PM
clydepepper's Avatar
clydepepper clydepepper is offline
Raymond 'Robbie' Culpepper
Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Columbus, GA
Posts: 6,928
Default

Good to see Luis Tiant get some love.


.
__________________
.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on others lives" - Jackie Robinson

“If you have a chance to make life better for others and fail to do so, you are wasting your time on this earth.”- Roberto Clemente
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-21-2022, 09:46 PM
isiahfan isiahfan is offline
D@n Di.Pao.la
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 389
Default

SP - Tommy John
RP - Billy Wagner (Quis?)
C - Parrish - look at his stats vs his contemporaries (Carter/Fisk) not too far off and he had an arm..was he a HOFer?..No...but he never gets the respect or mentions his numbers suggest he should
1B - Dick Allen.... 1 vote shy...(Mattingly had a short but elite career too right?)
2B - Whitaker - arguably better than Trammell
3B - Rolen - Hope he makes it
SS - Nomar - was elite for a good 6? years....more than Koufax
OF - Dwight Evans - Cannon....and put up good stats
OF - Curt Flood - Stats ahead of Brock until he started FA
OF - Dale Murphy - B2B MVP
DH - Kingman - Always brought some pop
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-22-2022, 06:17 AM
Aquarian Sports Cards Aquarian Sports Cards is offline
Scott Russell
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,297
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by G1911 View Post
What I really don't understand is how Lofton got 3.2% of the vote and straight fell off the ballot after one year. He was not even seriously considered by the voters.
That's how I feel about Whitaker. I think he belongs in, but how the hell does he fall off the ballot after one vote while Trammell eventually gets voted in???
__________________
Check out https://www.thecollectorconnection.com Always looking for consignments 717.327.8915 We sell your less expensive pre-war cards individually instead of in bulk lots to make YOU the most money possible!

and Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecollectorconnectionauctions
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-22-2022, 07:40 AM
packs packs is online now
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 8,322
Default

SP - Tim Hudson - never great but the guy nearly went 100 wins over losses
C- Jorge Posada - great offensive player at the position
1B - John Olerud - the guy could hit
2B - Larry Doyle - the best second baseman the NL had for a long time
SS - Trea Turner - never gets talked about but he's GOOD
3B - Eric Chavez - no HOFer but very good at hat he did at his peak
OF - Bernie Williams - falling off the ballot after two votes?
OF - Kenny Lofton - agree on all counts
OF - Curt Flood - put him in as a contributor to baseball
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-22-2022, 09:47 AM
cgjackson222's Avatar
cgjackson222 cgjackson222 is offline
Charles Jackson
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,402
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by packs View Post
SP - Tim Hudson - never great but the guy nearly went 100 wins over losses
C- Jorge Posada - great offensive player at the position
1B - John Olerud - the guy could hit
2B - Larry Doyle - the best second baseman the NL had for a long time
SS - Trea Turner - never gets talked about but he's GOOD
3B - Eric Chavez - no HOFer but very good at hat he did at his peak
OF - Bernie Williams - falling off the ballot after two votes?
OF - Kenny Lofton - agree on all counts
OF - Curt Flood - put him in as a contributor to baseball
I like a lot of the players on your list, but am a little confused by Trea Turner. Isn't he 29 years old and currently playing in his 8th season?

Last edited by cgjackson222; 09-22-2022 at 09:47 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-22-2022, 10:06 AM
G1911 G1911 is offline
Gr.eg McCl.@y
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,305
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cgjackson222 View Post
Isn't he 29 years old and currently playing in his 8th season?
I suspect this is why he’s not in the Hall of Fame
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-22-2022, 10:31 AM
packs packs is online now
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 8,322
Default

Yeah is that some kind of no no? He’s not in the HOF. Wasn’t that the parameter? I feel like he’s maybe the premier shortstop in the league now but he’s mostly anonymous. That makes him underrated in my book.

Last edited by packs; 09-22-2022 at 10:32 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-22-2022, 10:55 AM
cgjackson222's Avatar
cgjackson222 cgjackson222 is offline
Charles Jackson
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,402
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by packs View Post
Yeah is that some kind of no no? He’s not in the HOF. Wasn’t that the parameter? I feel like he’s maybe the premier shortstop in the league now but he’s mostly anonymous. That makes him underrated in my book.
I guess we were going for players that could have been elected to the Hall of Fame, but weren't. I think underrated current players could be a different thread though, and Trea Turner could certainly be on the list.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-22-2022, 11:51 AM
packs packs is online now
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 8,322
Default

Ah, OK I can play by those rules too.

I will instead nominate Tony Fernandez.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-22-2022, 01:49 PM
rats60's Avatar
rats60 rats60 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 2,898
Default

P Curt Schilling
C Bill Freehan
1b Steve Garvey
2b Lou Whitaker
SS Nomar Garciaparra
3b Dick Allen
LF Sherry Magee
CF Andruw Jones
RF Dwight Evans
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-26-2022, 07:18 PM
egri's Avatar
egri egri is offline
Sco.tt Mar.cus
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Norfolk, VA
Posts: 1,785
Default

P Billy Pierce
C Sherm Lollar
OF Dom DiMaggio
OF Dwight Evans
OF Fred Lynn
1B John Olerud
2B Jeff Kent
SS Nomar
3B Ken Boyer
__________________
Signed 1953 Topps set: 264/274 (96.35 %)
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-07-2022, 01:13 AM
smokinjoe smokinjoe is offline
member
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Location: Currrently Abu Dhabi
Posts: 8
Default

SP - Roger Clemens
RP - Billy Wagner
1B - Fred McGriff
2B - Lou Whitaker
3B - Scott Rolen
SS - Bill Dahlen
C - Thurman Munson
LF - Barry Bonds
CF - Dale Murphy
RF - Reggie Smith
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-07-2022, 05:20 AM
Georj's Avatar
Georj Georj is offline
member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 135
Default

How is Bill Frehan not in the hall of fame?
11 All-Star games, 5 Gold Gloves, 2nd in MVP voting(1968),
3rd in MVP voting(1967)
Best catcher of his era
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
T205 All Hall of Fame Tobacco Brand Team orioles70 Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 19 06-02-2021 06:35 AM
Orioles Team Hall of Fame - Just hit 100% AMBST95 Postwar Baseball Cards Forum (Pre-1980) 4 05-16-2013 11:27 AM
1950's non hall of fame all-star team Archive Postwar Baseball Cards Forum (Pre-1980) 14 10-16-2007 06:12 PM
All time non-Hall of Fame Team Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 41 11-19-2005 01:07 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:10 PM.


ebay GSB