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"Some people wouldn't recognize Tyranny if it slapped a mask on their face, made them stand 6 feet apart, and forced them to take a shot for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate"

850 more unvaxxed NYC teachers, aides fired for not complying with mandate
https://nypost.com/2022/09/17/850-mo...l-aides-fired/
https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-new...ccine-mandate/

I wonder who they'll be voting for come November
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I doubt if that changes any of their votes. I think they had long ago already made up their minds.
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I doubt if that changes any of their votes. I think they had long ago already made up their minds.
How anyone could vote for this with what most know, or ought to know by now, is beyond me.

While Florida gets hit with a hurricane Joe Biden is out there saying that it's vital people get their vaccine in order to help deal with a hurricane. You literally cannot make this shit up
My house in Tampa is getting flooded and destroyed, but thank God Im vaccinated.
https://twitter.com/ChickenGate/stat...C9lf2NkNsrAAAA

Preparing for a Hurricane
Stay up to date on your COVID-19 vaccines. COVID-19 vaccines help protect you from getting sick or severely ill with COVID-19. Staying up to date on vaccines makes it less likely that you will be sick with COVID-19 while sheltering or evacuating from a hurricane, and less likely to need medical services while hospitals are under strain from the natural disaster.
Pay attention to the COVID-19 Community Level in your area and follow recommendations to stay safe. Take steps to protect yours and others health while preparing for the hurricane.
Pay attention to local guidance about updated plans for evacuations and shelters, including shelters for your pets.
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"Congressman Thomas Massie 7/27/2022: "Vaccine Does Not Stop Spread of COVID" They lied to military personnel but fired them anyways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHtRpzcm6TI
One weird trick to solve the militarys recruitment problem
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Mass formation Psychosis, a corrupt, crooked and biased media, censorship, big Pharma and the crooked gov't who pushed all this.
Nah, all conspiracy theories. This was all about your health and well being.
https://www.oraclefilms.com/safeandeffective

Give it a watch, especially those who still believe the vaccines work and believe everything covid/vaccine related was above board.
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Yeah youve convinced me lol.
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Yeah you’ve convinced me lol.
Back in one of the other vaccine threads you wished me "Good luck without it and I mean that" to which I thanked you.

Today, I wish you. "Good luck with them and I mean that"

In the likelihood you didn't watch the vid I most recently posted above, but are still wondering how you were fooled, duped or tricked into getting vaccinated, do yourself a favor and at least watch the vid from the 40:52 (I've time stamped it to start there) (Or the 45:22) mark onward.
Hopefully it helps you, and the others, who are now silent in this thread, (who were quite vocal in the other 2), understand how that happened?
From the very first covid thread, all I said I was trying to do was tell the other side of the story so I am glad this vid has now come out.
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are emergency rooms full now? if not and this is happening please stop with that excuse for the past....
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are emergency rooms full now? if not and this is happening please stop with that excuse for the past....
"What is totalitarianism fascism?
What is totalitarianism? Totalitarianism is a form of government that attempts to assert total control over the lives of its citizens. It is characterized by strong central rule that attempts to control and direct all aspects of individual life through coercion and repression. It does not permit individual freedom"

Currently happening in Western Australia. Anyone remember the vast majority of its citizens giving up/turning in their firearms?

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The FDA Misled the Public About Ivermectin and Should Be Accountable in Court, Argues the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)
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Dale, I got an ad for this in my spam today and thought of you. Only $39 for the book, discounted of course from $100 lol. What's the lifesaving gadget, I wonder? Some good Bill Gates demonizing here too. Be well.

https://go.selfrely.com/infected?aff...020b6685ad8085
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The FDA Misled the Public About Ivermectin and Should Be Accountable in Court, Argues the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)
https://www.yahoo.com/now/fda-misled...l?guccounter=1
Yes, if you actually read it, this group is concerned about the freedom of doctors to prescribe off label, it isn't really about the efficacy of ivermectin.
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What does the AAPS have to say about bleach injections?
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Dale, I got an ad for this in my spam today and thought of you. Only $39 for the book, discounted of course from $100 lol. What's the lifesaving gadget, I wonder? Some good Bill Gates demonizing here too. Be well.

https://go.selfrely.com/infected?aff...020b6685ad8085
Still believing the FDA, the CDC and your corrupt govt wouldn't lie to you and that the vaccines still work eh, Pete? And I suppose the forcing, coercing and punishing/firing of people for not getting the shots is OK in your books too?


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Yes, if you actually read it, this group is concerned about the freedom of doctors to prescribe off label, it isn't really about the efficacy of ivermectin.
Where, in what I posted, was it speaking about the efficacy of Ivermectin?
Maybe you have reading comprehension issues, Pete, but efficacy isn't spoken of in the title nor in the link I posted. It is speaking about how the FDA falsely disparaged Ivermectin implying that it was not approved for treating covid. Why would a trusted govt entity do that?
I've posted many articles that you haven't commented on that proves, without a doubt, Ivermectin works, but of course, you have ignored those.
One or 2 were even from some of your previous go to sources in Pubmed. But I assume you were mistaken to listen, believe in them the first time around and they are no longer are part of your preferred medical reading choices?

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Another dumb sheep that still believes and listens to MSM. Post up the vid of Trump telling people to inject bleach into their bodies. I'll wait...
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Wow Dale you're reading an awful lot into my posting a link to a book ad and saying I thought of you when I read the ad. LOLOL. Who said anything about the FDA or CDC or government or vaccine mandates?

As for ivermectin, this is from a June 2022 Cochrane review, is there somethng comparable that is newer?

Ivermectin for preventing and treating COVID-19
Is ivermectin effective for COVID-19?

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We found no evidence to support the use of ivermectin for treating COVID-19 or preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection. The evidence base improved slightly in this update, but is still limited.

It works "without a doubt" eh?

As for my favorite sources, I don't think Science Based Medicine has dealt with this since earlier this year, but if they changed their view that would be meaningful to me as I am agnostic on the subject. Their last view was rather dim.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ive...19-treatments/
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Wow Dale you're reading an awful lot into my posting a link to a book ad and saying I thought of you when I read the ad. LOLOL. Who said anything about the FDA or CDC or government or vaccine mandates?

As for ivermectin, this is from a June 2022 Cochrane review, is there somethng comparable that is newer?

Ivermectin for preventing and treating COVID-19
Is ivermectin effective for COVID-19?

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We found no evidence to support the use of ivermectin for treating COVID-19 or preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection. The evidence base improved slightly in this update, but is still limited.

It works "without a doubt" eh?

As for my favorite sources, I don't think Science Based Medicine has dealt with this since earlier this year, but if they changed their view that would be meaningful to me as I am agnostic on the subject. Their last view was rather dim.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ive...19-treatments/
I believe ivermectin has come up again because of this study and I think another one: https://www.cureus.com/articles/1118...ted_modal=true

I am agnostic on if it works or not. Early reports it worked from some doctors using it were instantly attacked by the press before any study was done at all, often using false and misleading claims (ignoring it is regularly prescribed to humans to label it solely horse dewormer, etc.) The other side then or simultaneously latched onto it almost immediately. I find it difficult to find a rational basis for either view in how they developed, simply a possibly helpful item being lauded or lambasted based on a political narrative from both without a real and honest appraisal.

I am not endorsing the linked study, just providing what it is that has brought the issue up the last few weeks in the US and started to reach the mainstream.
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I believe ivermectin has come up again because of this study and I think another one: https://www.cureus.com/articles/1118...ted_modal=true

I am agnostic on if it works or not. Early reports it worked from some doctors using it were instantly attacked by the press before any study was done at all, often using false and misleading claims (ignoring it is regularly prescribed to humans to label it solely horse dewormer, etc.) The other side then or simultaneously latched onto it almost immediately. I find it difficult to find a rational basis for either view in how they developed, simply a possibly helpful item being lauded or lambasted based on a political narrative from both without a real and honest appraisal.

I am not endorsing the linked study, just providing what it is that has brought the issue up the last few weeks in the US and started to reach the mainstream.
It's a shame that the science gets lost in the agendas. I don't know what to make of the linked study, on the surface it reads like prior positive studies I have seen whose rigorousness have been questioned but it may be more definitive or at least less flawed or subject to doubt who knows. I suspect we'll never get a clean answer which sucks because it's so important to know. It never ceases to amaze me how on some topics there is so much apparent inconsistency in the data. A skeptic like John Ioannidis would say that's because most studies prove what they set out to prove, but I don't know that that explains all of it.
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That disinfectant knocks it out in a minute? Guess science didn't know Lysol kills bacteria like the one that causes covid 19. Glad they now know. Also, washing hands
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Washing hands is just what "they" want you to do, though!
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It's a shame that the science gets lost in the agendas. I don't know what to make of the linked study, on the surface it reads like prior positive studies I have seen whose rigorousness have been questioned but it may be more definitive or at least less flawed or subject to doubt who knows. I suspect we'll never get a clean answer which sucks because it's so important to know. It never ceases to amaze me how on some topics there is so much apparent inconsistency in the data. A skeptic like John Ioannidis would say that's because most studies prove what they set out to prove, but I don't know that that explains all of it.
I think it's mostly that skepticism. People always find what they want to find or are incentivized to find. A religious fundamentalist who studies faith will determine his religion is, indeed, the correct belief. A climate scientist whose funding and reputation relies on him producing a study that finds we have just 10 years until calamity will find that we have just 10 years before calamity strikes. People find what they believe, or what they are incentivized to find. Which is why we find the science of the last generation is kooky and wrong, every generation like clockwork. I love actual science and the method, but it is a rare thing. It doesn't take a conspiracy for the experts to determine that their instinct or incentivized outcome was correct, just human nature. Oftentimes this bias is done in the service of a thing that is actually true, but when the pre-determined outcome, though rarely formally and conspiratorially pre-determined, is something false it produces a mess. And when it's done in the service of fueling the power of the state to dictate small details of the daily life of its citizens via force and coercion, it will always produce a backlash determined to prove the exact opposite, falling into the same exact trap of softly pre-determined outcomes regardless of objective truth.

The damage from the last couple years to science the institution being conflated with science the actual thing is unfortunate. It seems to me that people on both sides tend to like actual science when it agrees with their world views and find it wrong or offensive when it doesn't, like everything else.
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LOL, it's like saying I always lie.
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Ioannidis is a brilliant man IMO but he got out ahead of his skis early in the pandemic, downplaying it and predicting early herd immunity if I recall correctly.
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I just read up on him a bit. From what I've found your assessment seems spot on.
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I've posted many articles that you haven't commented on that proves, without a doubt, Ivermectin works, but of course, you have ignored those.

Another dumb sheep that still believes and listens to MSM. Post up the vid of Trump telling people to inject bleach into their bodies. I'll wait...
Ivermectin works without a doubt? Yes, on horses with ringworm. Believing that it will cure anything else without a doubt is ridiculous and I believe you know that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE

No, he didn't tell people to inject bleach, he floated the idea of injecting disinfectants. Which is still...wow.
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Ivermectin works without a doubt? Yes, on horses with ringworm. Believing that it will cure anything else without a doubt is ridiculous and I believe you know that.
This is exactly what I was talking about an hour ago. Ivermectin is for horses with ringworm and will not "cure anything else", and to think that it does is "ridiculous" is an absolute lie. It is on the UN's list of essential medicines for humans, and is prescribed over 100,000 times a year (to humans, again) in the US. It's discoverers even won a Nobel prize in medicine for it (for its work in humans).

I do not know if it works for Covid or not; each side discovers what it wants when looking at it. But this counter-narrative above, which is hardly unique and has been repeated for near 2 years now, is a complete and obvious provable fiction; the urge to disparage anything that does not originate from their political faction overcomes even easily proven fact to a great many people.
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With so much at stake you would think we could just get an unbiased examination of whether this drug can be helpful or not. But no, we get all the bullshit of politics instead.
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With so much at stake you would think we could just get an unbiased examination of whether this drug can be helpful or not. But no, we get all the bullshit of politics instead.
How many years do you think we have before the color of the sky becomes a controversial political topic?
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Ivermectin works without a doubt? Yes, on horses with ringworm. Believing that it will cure anything else without a doubt is ridiculous and I believe you know that.

No, he didn't tell people to inject bleach, he floated the idea of injecting disinfectants. Which is still...wow.
I don't think he knows it, unfortunately... According to the "alternative facts" any cleaning product works as long as it's "the best". That is, if you can't cure yourself "just by thinking about it"
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I don't think he knows it, unfortunately... According to the "alternative facts" any cleaning product works as long as it's "the best". That is, if you can't cure yourself "just by thinking about it"
Has CBD oil been touted as a cure for the virus yet, or only for every other condition known to humanity?
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Has CBD oil been touted as a cure for the virus yet, or only for every other condition known to humanity?
I haven't heard that one yet, haha
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Has CBD oil been touted as a cure for the virus yet, or only for every other condition known to humanity?
Hey a little weed will cure most things and a lot of weed keeps you safe from covid. It is a proven fact and not debatable.
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Hey a little weed will cure most things and a lot of weed keeps you safe from covid. It is a proven fact and not debatable.
Also, don't forget - if you stare into your bathroom mirror and say "Dr. Fauci" three times, he will magically appear and try to vaccinate you.
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now that we are no longer in a pandemic why not less people sue like any other vaccine if there are issues with it. Havent the drug companies made enough money where they can pay some from the profits?

Are emergency rooms full? Why are people still losing jobs or under threat of losing status/position because of a choice...
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The moral code of taking the vaccine now outweighs the health benefits. The narrative alludes that People should wear masks not to spread to thy neighbor, just like taking the vaccine, so they dont infect the high risk people.

There is almost a placebo effect. People scared to leave their homes for fear of covid, are now fine to get a shot that clearly shows they can still get sick, but might not be as bad. The vaccine was billed as a game changer, people didnt need to worry a bit getting covid anymore. They were walking out saying the felt better than ever and the shot must have boosted their immune systems against other things.
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now that we are no longer in a pandemic why not less people sue like any other vaccine if there are issues with it. Havent the drug companies made enough money where they can pay some from the profits?

Are emergency rooms full? Why are people still losing jobs or under threat of losing status/position because of a choice...
Cant sue. One of the very first things the government did was to remove liability from those administering or making the vaccines, in case theyre almost untested injections hurt or killed people. The victims of the vaccine, and there are some, have little to no recourse.
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