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Old 05-04-2021, 02:27 AM
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Hey guys horrible way to start my first post off but ive been dragging my feet to posting around on here and always get stuck reading as there is soo much great knowledge flung around and have learned lots! Befor i ask for a second opinion here i will preface this and say that yes i own some 49 leaf cards but no i dont own the big boy and maybe thiis drove me there. I believe what i can make out as the half tone printing in different areas and it doesnt appear to be a intentionally mistreated card for aging purposes but the back throws me off and the wide variance on the print colors with this card as disclosed through members and psa etc. I really am stumped but leaning the real way so i went after it as seller had no blemish and i seen they have been posting what appears to be collection purchased wares from time eras and this recent one fits. blah blah right anyway heres the link and i would greatly appreciate some blunt experienced straight to the point feedback. I have been scouring through a lot of user FrankWakefield's posts but struggled to find a cracker jack thread he referenced to make a printout for keeping handy etc...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/27478374184...p2047675.l2557

Appreciate the help ahead of time and criticism and polishing i am sure i will receive lol
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Old 05-04-2021, 02:33 AM
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again apologies for being that guy that posts his first time about stupid ish but you all have been my secret teachers that i created this account weeks ago to get started being active and discussing things and sharing on my end and no excuses just been a 1 man band on my store and new newborn running around which is why i am awake at ungodly hours to get things done lol I am very meticulous and have a good methodology for internet buying that has worked for me but ive been itching to wade into this era big time and couldnt help myself when i seen it and believe i was seeing signs of natural wear? shtty pics tho and vibrant deep colors that are bleeding ever so slightly through on back like a dempsey i have/had that i recently sold. I have very little experience so far here though and need a nice nudge as to the take so i dont waste my time as i can still cancel if need be before early morning otherwise itl be on my loupe and microscope when i get it and will post my findings one way or the other! Hoping it is a certain way and not the playing tag way!
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Old 05-04-2021, 03:26 AM
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The one thing that stuck out for me i have yet to see on any reprints or forgeries i have searched through is the ink bleed through that can happen on these cards unless i am off basis there due to short sample sizing in person but i do study a TON of imagery to key on identifying marks of authenticity for a given era but i wonder just what is happening with the paper from backside which almost looked like a halfway curt through to lineup a rounded corner leaving the front layer in tact and im guessing would sand from there down? or is it an optical illusion and paper peeled back is all? the vibrant inks looked great but the hat color combo and a few different variances slightly just through me into a box but i felt good enough about the few things i feel have not been seen by me at least to happen in the fake game like the ink bleed through from color fill...
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Old 05-04-2021, 03:55 AM
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i definitely just chalked the backside up to glue paste residue as was a common thing back then from what i understand! I will definitely update when i get it with high res scans etc and hope to get some feedback soon from anyone experienced past my nerd reading phase! went ahead and snapped the front and back from listing to grab someone's attention too!
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Old 05-04-2021, 05:59 AM
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It's fake.
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Old 05-04-2021, 06:26 AM
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Old 05-04-2021, 10:43 AM
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That bad??? Damn ok gonna try and get to cancel otherwise itl be going back immediately upon delivery but at least i can document the card if they pull the its shipped bs thing already on me not that i am sure it matters? So for my knowledge is ot just the overall appearance or specific things i need to pay attention too??
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Old 05-04-2021, 10:53 AM
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Among other issues of the print quality, the tale is in the wear spots. when the distressed spots are a stark contrast to the back paper, that is usually an indicator of a reprint.
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Old 05-04-2021, 10:56 AM
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Ok. My exuberance definately got the better of me but having some of these cards didnt seem completely right so i had to hop on here and ask for con. I was hoping this was the result of the whole glueing cards thing but then never seen that effect on front before yet and seems like the card was almost shellacked lol
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Old 05-04-2021, 11:55 AM
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Ok. My exuberance definately got the better of me but having some of these cards didnt seem completely right so i had to hop on here and ask for con. I was hoping this was the result of the whole glueing cards thing but then never seen that effect on front before yet and seems like the card was almost shellacked lol
Also, it's always good to look at all aspects. That card generally has fairly poor centering. The one here is better than about 95% of them. That is at least a yellow flag.

Here is one I currently own for comparison.....This one has nice centering for the card but yours is way better. Also the other factors, as mentioned, seal the deal.

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Old 05-04-2021, 12:39 PM
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Also, dig a little. This guy's previous big card sale is $100, suddenly he has a $5000 card and he's letting it go cheaply? And the other thing he sells is jewelry. I don't know if you could find two areas with more counterfeiters than cards and jewelry.
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Old 05-04-2021, 12:47 PM
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true that and i looked at that AFTER the fact lol. I find myself getting trigger happy on stuff like this sometimes due to lost nostalgia of being a kid wishing to own LOL but ends up the same. Just gotta keep on keeping on. Really was just thrown off by the paste like glue but didnt seem right and the skewed pics etc and the hat color was throwing me off a bit along with overall warm tones of atypical reprints. But i seen the color bleed on backside and couldnt figure that out as i said ive been buying a lot and a good handful processing a short stack of leafs and bowmans and found no indication of bleed through color fill yet on reprint. Would love to know if thats just an anomaly and is not akin to one or the other going forward please...Nice ruth man that looks sweet!! Love the black inserts from sgc and the way they contrast!

Seller told me this LOL
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Old 05-04-2021, 02:47 PM
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Interesting also that the Mantle red heart and bowman Ted Williams card also have the dark shading around the edge and the white rubbed/sanded corners on the back just like the Ruth. If you are going to fake aging don't use the same technique on every card. LOL. Definitely fakes.
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Old 05-04-2021, 02:52 PM
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Also, dig a little. This guy's previous big card sale is $100, suddenly he has a $5000 card and he's letting it go cheaply? And the other thing he sells is jewelry. I don't know if you could find two areas with more counterfeiters than cards and jewelry.
I personally wouldn't go based on this. My best and largest purchase was from a seller that previously had only sold $1 and $2 cards. It's a case by case issue
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Old 05-04-2021, 03:21 PM
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I've found that "WOW LOOK $$$$$$$$$$$" in the listing is usually a pretty bad sign too.
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Old 05-04-2021, 04:24 PM
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And this "almost" mistake didnt even cost you anything! Smart move on your part to get some advice before it was too late. Many of my educational moments in life I had to pay RETAIL for with the money long gone and me feeling like a fool..... but this is happening less as I get older.... BUT IT STILL HAPPENS Im embarassed to admit. Glad you dodged that bullet! But there are still plenty of bullets flying out there...... keep your head down and proceed with caution! Rocky
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Old 05-04-2021, 10:25 PM
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Ive been shadow learning from you guys reading reading reading and more reading and historical research of production practices etc but my knowledge specifically goes robustly to the late 60s range and i have only dabbled in this era minus the 56 set as its my fav. I know when to hit the lifeline button and know that i have to pay it forward myself and will do so on my end in any capacity i can! im a staunch 70s and newer guy with plenty of baseball to 50s mixed iin but always been enamored with the 49 and 48 bowman and leaf stuff and its always been layups based off what ive learned but i have been perplexed by the whole glue pasting thing of old and thought for a moment thats what it was but there was no explanation for the front or the situation surrounding the card although i like the idea of hooking the fish and playing it before i break it off just in case so nothing gets missed LOL i do understand and appreciate your guys time and knowledge as it is not worthless to me and so if there are any high grade raw you guys ever seek in the 70s and newer thats my hunting specialty and am always happy to pass along good deals to those hunting for pc that i pass up as i go due to margin!

Other than that i am not sure i can offer much to this forum as a 30 year old due to my collecting era expertise although i have only explored this forum heavily for old so idk if theres newer aged collectors here and will have to explore and be active as i do appreciate yalls help tremendously and ecstatically!
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Old 05-04-2021, 10:39 PM
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I personally wouldn't go based on this. My best and largest purchase was from a seller that previously had only sold $1 and $2 cards. It's a case by case issue
i can show you perfect examples of this too where knowledge trumps that safety net mantra but it does serve well to adopt that practice and remember to verify still instead of ignoring if it wont take too much of a person's time!

heres one perfect example that i would love for someone to show me otherwise as to date there is one telltale sign above all else i have yet to unearth on jb fakes and its the rub spot hidden ink ghosting from age. No reprints ive ever seen have been able to show this for obvious limitations on their end


everyone was simply gun shy because well naturally so it was labeled so and so whoever got this made off nicely! No it wasnt me lol i had a bid dropped high enough and was stuck in house hunting with wife and kids and was too late to bump it as i lost by 2$ -_- but i have had a few now so no sweat lol
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Old 05-04-2021, 11:10 PM
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and not to self promote etc just posting this link to my feebay store so you guys can access me there as i to have an ocd tendency of being dormant during stretches when im busy with something and it give everyone a chance to see im not full of bs either i suppose to see some of the wares im peddling LMAO

https://www.ebay.com/str/singhprospecting

Feel free to offer opinions on anything i am doing and suggestions to make things better from a way that we the collective buyer would like to see or not see as i take that criticism and absorb and utilize it to try and better what i am doing!

I do find you guys to be an invaluable organic breathing source of encyclopedias that is a must have in our hobby as it gets sharkier and shadier with the influx of money coming into it!
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in the sake of money saved also the 4 gentlemen that did alert me and offer help on this situation if you go to my store and pick out a card you want under 20$ and ill send it your way on my dime as a thank you!!!
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If you do not see anything now if you look feel free to cash it in whenever or use a 20% off whatever you want order size! one time of course LOL and if you see anything say high grade set break and your looking for anything in those sets if not posted i probably have it just haven't posted it so lmk and pm me here or on feebay!

Or one other option i can add not if it means anything to you yet but if you tell me one card and condition your seeking and a price point that is realistic i will eventually find it and its yours for the cost incurred no strings i will show you everything minus my account number LOL

I do appreciate you guys and the work ive witnessed for a while on the forums as ive referenced and read through quite a bit here! I do not want to come off as a rude young man or unappreciative nor am i looking for anything other than a thank you offering and also to rectify my a hole entry post to the forum seeking help like a leech without proper introduction!!!
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Thanks for the offer. In my experiences this forum pays it forward a lot. I never want anything for helping except good conversation and friendly folks to collect with. And I think my fellow members mostly feel the same way.


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in the sake of money saved also the 4 gentlemen that did alert me and offer help on this situation if you go to my store and pick out a card you want under 20$ and ill send it your way on my dime as a thank you!!!
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If you do not see anything now if you look feel free to cash it in whenever or use a 20% off whatever you want order size! one time of course LOL and if you see anything say high grade set break and your looking for anything in those sets if not posted i probably have it just haven't posted it so lmk and pm me here or on feebay!

Or one other option i can add not if it means anything to you yet but if you tell me one card and condition your seeking and a price point that is realistic i will eventually find it and its yours for the cost incurred no strings i will show you everything minus my account number LOL

I do appreciate you guys and the work ive witnessed for a while on the forums as ive referenced and read through quite a bit here! I do not want to come off as a rude young man or unappreciative nor am i looking for anything other than a thank you offering and also to rectify my a hole entry post to the forum seeking help like a leech without proper introduction!!!
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Getting emails from this stranger directing me to his ebay store ,,lol

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feel free to paraphrase but definitely not what it said but i digress LOL lucky and aquarian and yanks got the same extended offer for your guys help... might be the one thing i have noticed from reading along these years is the drama that drums up for nothing. Im too new nor ambitious enough to feel the need to explain myself when it is not just a me and you exchange...
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feel free to paraphrase but definitely not what it said but i digress LOL lucky and aquarian and yanks got the same extended offer for your guys help... might be the one thing i have noticed from reading along these years is the drama that drums up for nothing. Im too new nor ambitious enough to feel the need to explain myself when it is not just a me and you exchange...
Not from you lol the other rocket scientist thx for offer that was nice of you but where here to help
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Not from you lol the other rocket scientist thx for offer that was nice of you but where here to help
Yea not sure who the other rocket scientist is...aquarian is only person i got anything from...

And they are or at least used to be called trading cards for a reason lol so think of it as me trading you guys for your energy lol. I hear you though and that is exactly what bought me to the hobby as a kid with how helpful and transparent the og community always was looking out for each other!
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