Any One Collect Pins?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by 71buc

After viewing all of the pins in this thread I thought I would pick up a few for myself. However, I have decided to start very small and narrow my focus to players I liked in my childhood. I will be limiting my pickups to pins in this set as I think it is attractive and VERY CHEAP. However, I know nothing about these items. I picked up the pin below very recently and thought I should attempt to educate myself before I go further. Sorry to revive an old thread.

Thanks in advance.

Mike

• Is there a name or designation for this set?
• How were they marketed?
• How many players from each team were produced?
• Are there any known scarcities or variations?
• The text on the Joe Morgan is different than the others is there a reason for that?
• What years were they produced?
• Are they all easel backed?

"sorry to revive an old thread"? I love that you revived it! I can't hang with those 5 figure card guys!

re: your questions...

• I call them the "black square series" due to the text box.
• unknown.
• The Giants had 12 players but we hadn't seen McCovey until just recently.
• unknown.
• unknown.
• Based on the Giants in the set, I've always thought 1972-73.
• Mine are all easel backed.

I'm not sure I knew other teams were in this series....I tend to live in my own little Giants world ...I've always liked these too and would love to see more! Sorry for my crappy picture. The Tom Bradley (lower right) isn't due to me....he is ALWAYS in heavy shadow.

[71buc]

Thanks for the information, its the simple pleasures in life that are sometimes the most fun. Sanguillen arrived in the mail today. I agree based on Clemente that 72-73 would be the likely production dates. The other Pirates I'm aware of are Al Oliver, Bob Robertson, Gene Clines, and Rene Stennet. I have to believe Dock Ellis and Steve Blass were made as well. If so that would make 10 Bucs.

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

"sorry to revive an old thread"? I love that you revived it! I can't hang with those 5 figure card guys!

re: your questions...

• I call them the "black square series" due to the text box.
• unknown.
• The Giants had 12 players but we hadn't seen McCovey until just recently.
• unknown.
• unknown.
• Based on the Giants in the set, I've always thought 1972-73.
• Mine are all easel backed.

I'm not sure I knew other teams were in this series....I tend to live in my own little Giants world ...I've always liked these too and would love to see more! Sorry for my crappy picture. The Tom Bradley (lower right) isn't due to me....he is ALWAYS in heavy shadow.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Thanks for the information, its the simple pleasures in life that are sometimes the most fun. Sanguillen arrived in the mail today. I agree based on Clemente that 72-73 would be the likely production dates. The other Pirates I'm aware of are Al Oliver, Bob Robertson, Gene Clines, and Rene Stennet. I have to believe Dock Ellis and Steve Blass were made as well. If so that would make 10 Bucs.

just based on eBay, they don't turn up very often....altho one seller has had maybe 6 of the Giants forever. He's asking $20 ea. What have you been paying? Also, have you seen others besides Bucs, Reds and Giants?

[71buc]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

just based on eBay, they don't turn up very often....altho one seller has had maybe 6 of the Giants forever. He's asking $20 ea. What have you been paying? Also, have you seen others besides Bucs, Reds and Giants?

I paid $30 for Clemente $15 for Stargell the rest were $7-10 a piece. This seller has a variety of them from different teams. I dont know how he is dating them and his prices seem a bit high.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw...utton&_sacat=0

[ooo-ribay]

just did an eBay search for PM-10....(the keyword brings back a lot of non-PM-10 pin backs)...two things stand out:

a) the Orioles sure have a lot of nice looking pins.

b) the Orioles sure have fallen but are hopefully on the way way back.

[dwr11]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

just based on eBay, they don't turn up very often....altho one seller has had maybe 6 of the Giants forever. He's asking $20 ea. What have you been paying? Also, have you seen others besides Bucs, Reds and Giants?

Here is a scan of the Tony Oliva and Harmon Killebrew buttons from this series. I don't have individual scans for them. I always thought they were from 1971-1973. I know there are two different Clemente buttons from this series. One of them is very difficult to find. I have found the Twins players from this series to be pretty difficult to find but not impossible. Some players are extremely easy and others you hardly ever see.

[perezfan]

I would guess 1972 for the dating. Joe Morgan came to the Reds from Houston to start the '72 Season, and the font on his pin is different/larger. That would indicate a revision of some type, and 1972 would make the most sense.

If they were made in '71, Morgan would be an Astro. If they were made in '73, the Morgan Pin would look like all the rest of the Reds. That leaves 1972 as the logical choice.

Just conjecture, but that's my measly contribution.

[dwr11]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I would guess 1972 for the dating. Joe Morgan came to the Reds from Houston to start the '72 Season, and the font on his pin is different/larger. That would indicate a revision of some type, and 1972 would make the most sense.

If they were made in '71, Morgan would be an Astro. If they were made in '73, the Morgan Pin would look like all the rest of the Reds. That leaves 1972 as the logical choice.

Just conjecture, but that's my measly contribution.

That's good logic. I am thinking they were made for 2 or 3 years though. My logic is based on the fact that Clemente has two different buttons from this series with completely different photos. Great thread and discussion!

[71buc]

Originally Posted by dwr11

That's good logic. I am thinking they were made for 2 or 3 years though. My logic is based on the fact that Clemente has two different buttons from this series with completely different photos. Great thread and discussion!

Your logic sounds good to me. However, I have never seen another with the same font as on the Morgan. Does anyone have an example of the other version of Clemente? I would love to see it.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by dwr11

Here is a scan of the Tony Oliva and Harmon Killebrew buttons from this series. I don't have individual scans for them. I always thought they were from 1971-1973. I know there are two different Clemente buttons from this series. One of them is very difficult to find. I have found the Twins players from this series to be pretty difficult to find but not impossible. Some players are extremely easy and others you hardly ever see.

Lots of pins and lots of pennants for the Twins. I guess it only makes sense with Wincraft based in state.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

"sorry to revive an old thread"? I love that you revived it! I can't hang with those 5 figure card guys!

re: your questions...

• I call them the "black square series" due to the text box.
• unknown.
• The Giants had 12 players but we hadn't seen McCovey until just recently.
• unknown.
• unknown.
• Based on the Giants in the set, I've always thought 1972-73.
• Mine are all easel backed.

I'm not sure I knew other teams were in this series....I tend to live in my own little Giants world ...I've always liked these too and would love to see more! Sorry for my crappy picture. The Tom Bradley (lower right) isn't due to me....he is ALWAYS in heavy shadow.

Rob, Mike and Mark,
Here is my contribution to this interesting topic:
For many years I have owned this "black square" pinback of Nolan Ryan in my collection. This is a very challenging pin to find as I have not seen/ heard of many in the hobby, even amongst fellow Nolan Ryan advanced collectors.

I always guessed its vintage to be around 1974, but I can certainly believe that it could be 1973 based on the road grey uniform style that Nolan is wearing. It cannot be from 1972 because of the "A" on Nolan's Angels jersey being a capital "A" and not the lower case "a" which were used in 1972.

My Ryan pinback does not have an easel on the back, or at least mine did not have one when I purchased it second hand in the 1980's.

Finally, this pinback was definitely photographed somewhere other than So Cal. Nolan is wearing a road grey uniform and features the shaded face ala Rob's Tom Bradley SF pinback. I don't recognize the stadium in the background. Does anyone recognize where this photo may have been shot?

One of my close friends and I, which both attended many Angels games during the early to mid 1970's in Anaheim, do not recognize this pinback as one that was sold at Anaheim Stadium, so these likely were not a stadium pin.
Thanks!

[ooo-ribay]

Interesting that this one could not be 1972. The shaded face reinforces my idea that not a whole lot of effort went into production. The "centering" also often leaves something to be desired.

[71buc]

Thanks for your input Scott. Why am I not surprised you would have the Ryan pin. Here are pins featuring Santo with the White Sox. He played for them in only 1974. The Cepeda pin has to be 1973 for the same reason. I am thinking these were produced between 1972 and 1974.

[perezfan]

Interesting... Based on evidence, it looks like these were definitely made over a range of 2-3 years.

Great thread!

[dwr11]

I used to have the exact same Nolan Ryan button. I picked the Ryan up with a Jim Palmer and two Reggie Jackson's many years ago. I can't find a scan of the Ryan that I sold but here are the Jim Palmer and one of the Jackson's. The Tarkenton football button from 1964 is also a very difficult button to find.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

^^^^ also! it's the rare OVAL SHAPE!

Sorry, couldn't resist. Interesting that this one could not be 1972. The shaded face reinforces my idea that not a whole lot of effort went into production. The "centering" also often leaves something to be desired.

Rob, Mike, Mark and all,

I also want to note that my pinback not only doesn't have the easel, it does not have the clear "film" over the image like Rob's Juan Marichal that has the easel (which I also own in my collection). Instead, my Ryan pinback appears to have the image directly printed on the front of the metal button, if you are following me...

It does appear that perhaps two processes were used when producing these pinback:

One which features the easel back and the clear film on the front of the button.
The other version has the photographic image applied directly to the metal pinback front with no easel back.

Can anyone else confirm this?

[71buc]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Rob, Mike, Mark and all,

I also want to note that my pinback not only doesn't have the easel, it does not have the clear "film" over the image like Rob's Juan Marichal that has the easel (which I also own in my collection). Instead, my Ryan pinback appears to have the image directly printed on the front of the metal button, if you are following me...

It does appear that perhaps two processes were used when producing these pinback:

One which features the easel back and the clear film on the front of the button.
The other version has the photographic image applied directly to the metal pinback front with no easel back.

Can anyone else confirm this?

I recently had a beat up Clemente where water got beneath the clear plastic cover and it peeled off leaving only the printed image on the face of the button. When touched it feels like it was printed on paper and affixed with adhesive. The easel on the reverse was made of cardboard that suffered water damage and separated from the pin. This resulted in the back looking exactly like your Ryan. I'll see if I can locate it.

The font on Palmer looks closest to the Morgan than any pin I have seen previously.

[Scott Garner]

Here is another Jim Palmer pinback that I just picked up.
I believe that these were manufactured during the 1980-1981 timeframe and they're about 1" in size.

I also have a Nolan Ryan from this same set. The funky old hat that he wore in his photo could only have been from the 1980 or 1981 season.

[sayhey24]

Posted this in the pickups section as well, but since it's an advertising piece for pins, thought I would show it here. 1920's Kolb's 7 inch wall-hanging ad featuring players on the Kolb's pins.

Greg