Zeenut checklists

[brianp-beme]

Just to see if we are describing the same thing, I have posted two 'size' variations of Garibaldi (I wish they were all this easy to differentiate). This is just one scan, so as to not get any size distortion. I would call the card on the left 'small' and the card on the right 'large' due to the relative size of the player's image on each card. Is this how you classify them as well?

Brian

[philliesphan]

Mike-

All my coupon'ed Sepia's seem to be Sepia at the bottom.

I'm not sure I'd characterize those two Sulik's as being different, as the one on the left is much richer in terms of contrast and darkness throughout the card, not just in the coupon

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

Mike-

All my coupon'ed Sepia's seem to be Sepia at the bottom.

Here are two examples of the 1933 sepia cards with Black & White coupons.



I guess I have to include the 1933 Sepias ("offer expires April 1st 1934") in the list so that we can get scans to cover all of the 1933 Zeenuts cards. Will post list of what scans I already have shortly.

Thanks,

Mike

[abctoo]

For simplicity, here's a list of the 1933 through 1937 Zeenuts cards with coupons we already have scans of. Please post a scan or picture of any card not on this list. Your contributions will be acknowledged in the list. I will continue to regularly update it. If taking the picture with a camera, take it straight on so image is not distorted by camera tilting. You may have to cover your flash up to avoid glare (whited out areas). Thanks from all of us who are working on this project, Mike.


1933 Zeenuts Sepia (coupon expires April 1st 1934) Note: while the pictures are in sepia, there are three basic styles of coupon printing that does not affect a player's picture: (1) Sepia ink only used, (2) Black ink only used; and (3) Mixed Sepia and Black ink used. On the Mixed ones, usually the coupon block is printed with Sepia ink on top of Black ink, and the offer expires line can be in either Sepia or Black (but sometimes appears to be one printed over the other). Since a coupon inking variety does not affect the player picture and there seems to be no player picture varieties, for simplicity we list the Sepia cards with coupons we have a scan of and do not distinguish the variations that occur only in the coupons.

Almada, Lou (Mission)
Bordagary (Sacramento)
Bottarini (Seattle)
Brubaker, Ray (Oakland, Mgr)
Burns (Seattle, Mgr)
Cole (Mission) [from PSST206, net54ball]
Dahlgren (Mission) [from PSST206, net54ball]
Donovan (Seals) [from PSST206, net54ball]
Freitas, Dick (Seattle)
Galan (Seals) [examples from PSST206, net54baseball]
Hofmann (Mission, Mgr)
Kelman (Mission)
Lelivelt, Jack (Los Angeles, Mgr) [example from PSST206, net54ball]
Ludolph (Oakland)
McDonald (Portland)
McNeeley (Sacramento, Mgr) [from PSST206, net54ball]
Osborne (Mission) [example from PSST206, net54ball]
Reeves (Portland) [from philliesphan, net54baseball]
Scott, Pete (Oakland) [from PSST206, net54ball]
Steinbacker (Sacramento)
Sulik, Ernie (Seals)
Vitt, Oscar (Hollywood, Mgr)
Zinn (Seals)

1933-36 Zeenuts (coupons expire April 1st 1934, April 1st 1935, April 1st 1936, and Oct 1st 1936)

Coupon expires April 1st 1934

Babich (Mission) [from rsst206, net54baseball]
Blackerby (Portland)
Brundin (Portland) [from rsst206, net54baseball]
Coscarart (Mission)
Davis (Seals) [from rsst206, net54baseball]
Kenna (Seals) [from rsst206, net54baseball]

Coupon expires April 1st 1935

Backer (Seals)
Ballou, William (Seals)
Biongovanni (Seattle)
Borja (Boroja), Tony (Sacramento)
Carlyle, Cleo (Hollywood) dated 1935 or 1936
Caveney, Jim (Seals) [correct spelling of last name]
Coscarart (Seattle) [from philliesphan, net54ball]
DeMaggio (DiMaggio), Joe (Seals) batting
Deviveirous (Oakland) [from rsst206, net54baseball]
Douglas, Ken (Seals)
Eckhardt, Ox (Mission) April 1st 1935, shoe partially cut off by white border at bottom (need better scan)
Fitzpatrick (Mission)
Funk (Seals) [from rsst206, net54baseball]
Gibson, Sam (Seals) white sleeves, lifted shoe is solid black below white sock
Henderson, Bill (Seals)
Herrmann, Leroy (Seals)
Holland (Seattle) [from rsst206, net54baseball]
Horne, Berlyn (Sacramento)
House, Andy (Sacramento)
Hunt, Art (Seals)
Joiner (Oakland) [from rsst206, net54baseball]
Kampouris (Sacramento)
Kintana, Leo (Oakland)
Lahman (Sacramento) [from rsst206, net54baseball]
Mailho, Ernie (Oakland)
Mails, Walter (Seals)
McMullen (Seals)
Mulligan, Eddie (Oakland) hands not showing
Ostenberg, Leo (Sacramento)
Page (Hollywood)
Palmisano (Portland)
Pillette, Ted (Mission)
Pool (Oakland)
Radonitz (Seattle)
Salvo (Sacramento) [from rsst206, net54baseball]
Sever, Carl (Seals)
Stitzel, Hal (Los Angeles)
Stutz, Ed (Seals)
Sulik, Ernie (Seals)
Vitt, Oscar (Hollywood, Mgr)
Woodall, Larry (Seals)

Coupon expires April 1st 1936

Almada, Lou (Mission)
Anton, Leroy (Oakland)
Ballou, William (Seals)
Beck, Clyde (Mission)
Becker, Joe (Seals)
Borga (Boroja), Tony (Sacramento)
Carlyle (Hollywood)
Cole, Albert (Seals) with glove
Connors, Merv (Oakland)
DeMaggio (DiMaggio), Joe (Seals) throwing
Densmore, Jim (Seals)
Douglas, Ken (Oakland)
Duggan, Mickey (Mission)
Eckhardt, Ox (Mission), full shoe clear of border at bottom
Ellsworth, Floyd (Sacramento)
Garibaldi, Art (Seals)
Gibson, Sam (Seals) white sleeves, lifted shoe shows white “lacings”
Hafey, Tom (Mission)
Haid, Hal (Oakland)
Hartwig (Sacramento)
Kelly, Ernie (Oakland)
Kintana, Leo (Oakland)
Ludolph, Willie (Oakland)
Mailho, Ernie (Oakland)
Mails, Walter (Seals)
Marty, Joe (Seals) white sleeves
Massuci, Tony (Seals)
McEvoy, Lou (Oakland)
McMullen (Oakland)
Monzo, Vince (Seals)
Mort, Roy (Mission)
Mulligan, Eddie (Oakland) hands showing
Newkirk, Floyd (Seals)
O'Doul, Lefty (seals) white sleeves
Powers, Les (Seals)
Raimondi, Billy (Oakland) [from Philliesphan, net54baseball]
Rego, Jim (Oakland)
Salvo, Manny (Sacramento)
Sheehan, Ken (Seals)
Statz, Arnold 'Jigger' (Los Angeles)
Steinbacker, Hank (Sacramento)
Stitzel, Hal (Seals)
Street, Charles (Mission)
Stutz, Ed (Seals)
Thurston, Hollie (Mission)
Vitt, Oscar (Oakland, Mgr)
Walsh, Ed (Oakland)
Wirts, Elwood (Sacramento)
Woodall, Larry (Seals) [examples from brianp-beme, net54baseball]
Wright, Al (Mission)

Coupon expires Oct 1st 1936

Almada, Lou (Mission)
Ballou, William (Seals)
Barath, Steve (Seals)
Beck, Clyde (Missions)
Borja (Boroja), Tony (Seals)
Cole, Albert (Seals) no glove
Francovich (Missions)
Gibson, Sam (Seals) black sleeves
Gira, Frank (Seals)
Graves, Jim (Seals)
Holder, Brooks (Seals)
Johnson, Lloyd (Missions)
Joost (Missions)
Jorgensen, Jolly (Seals)
Mails, Walter (Seals)
Marty, Joe (Seals) black sleeves
Massuci, Tony (Seals)
Monzo, Vince (Seals)
Mort, Roy (Missons)
Nitcholas (Missions)
Norbert (Seals)
O'Doul, Lefty (Seals) black sleeves
Outen, Chink (Missions) batting
Rhyne, Hal (Seals)
Rosenberg, Harry (Missions)
Salkeld (Seals)
Sheehan, Ken (Seals)
Starritt (Seals)
Stewart (Missions)
Stitzel, Hal (seals)
Stoneham (Missions)
Thurston, Hollis (Missions)
West (Missions)
Woodall, Larry (Seals) batting [examples from brianp-beme, net54baseball]
Wright, Al (Missions)


1937-38 Zeenuts (coupon expires Oct. 30th 1937)

Annunzio (Missions)
Ballou, William (Seals)
Beck, W. (Missions)
Boss, harley (Seals)
Daglia (Seals)
DeMaggio (DiMaggio), Dom (Seals)
Frankovich (Missions)
Freitas (Sacramento)
Garibaldi (Sacramento)
Gibson, Sam (Seals)
Gill, John (Seals)
Graves (Seals)
Guay (Seals)
Hawkins (Seals)
Herrmann (Missions)
Holder (Seals)
Koenig (Missions)
Lamanski (Missions)
Lillard, Gene (Seals)
Marble, Harry (Missions)
Mills, Pinckney (Seals)
Mort, Bobby. (Missions)
Nitcholas (Missions)
Osborne (Missions)
Outen (Missions)
Outen, C. (Missions)
Powell (Seals)
Rosenberg, Harry (Missions)
Sheehan, Ken (Seals)
Shores (Seals)
Slade (Missions)
Sprinz (Missions)
Statz (Los Angeles)
Stutz (Seals)
Thomson (Seals)
Tost (Missions)
Vitter (Seals)
West (Missions)
Woodall, Larry (Seals)
Wright (Seals)

1938 Zeenuts (No Coupon)

I know it's far fetched, but does anyone have a 1938 Zeenuts card they took from a package? Coupons were not attached to the cards but included as a separate item in the package. A scan would help us identify the actual borders Zeenuts used for these cards and would help determine which cards are the 1938 issue. Of course, if you think you have an actual 1938 issue, provide a scan and tell us why you think it is a 1938. Thanks, Mike

[philliesphan]

Love your passion on the project, Mike.

Hard to believe there would be anyone here that took a 1938 Zeenuts from a package. But perhaps?

To add to your scan list, here is a 1933 Sepia Reeves:

[qed2190]

I have a Levelet zee with coupon but can't post a scan right now.

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Just to see if we are describing the same thing, I have posted two 'size' variations of Garibaldi (I wish they were all this easy to differentiate). This is just one scan, so as to not get any size distortion. I would call the card on the left 'small' and the card on the right 'large' due to the relative size of the player's image on each card. Is this how you classify them as well?

Brian

That's the $64 question! The one on the right you posted above is obviously a larger pose than the one on the left. Horne's 1970's list has only the 1935 Garibaldi card ("offer expires April 1st 1936") and calls it the "large" pose, but gives no indication of the date of a "small" pose. Currently, I have only two different Garibaldi's scanned, the 1935 one ("offer expires April 1st 1936") and the 1937 ("offer expires Oct. 30th, 1937").



The one you pictured on the right appears similar to the 1935 Garibaldi ("offer expires April 1st 1936"). While at first glance, the card on the left of your previous post looks like the 1937 one of my scan, you'll notice the shape of the boxes containing the player's name are different on these two cards. The box on the 1937 issue of my scan is square, while the corners on the box of the first card pictured in your scan are each cut off making the box an octagon (a box style used on many 1930s cards through those with offers that expired Oct 1st 1936). So we now have two similar "small" poses issued in different years.

Anybody have any suggestions on a one or two word phrase we can use to differentiate these three cards (and perhaps a fourth one that might show up)?

Mike

ADDED AFTER INITIAL POST:

I forgot to mention Art Garibaldi's relevant playing history. He played for Sacramento from 1931 through part of 1936, with the rest of 1936 (6-20 to 9-27) with the St. Louis Cardinals, then returned to Sacramento for 1937. In 1938, he played for the Columbus Red Birds. It would be easy to assume the missing coupon on the unidentified card you posted was a 1935 one ("expires Oct 1st 1936"), but with Garibaldi's playing record with Sacramento I think we should wait until an actual coupon shows up. I too wish the 1930's Zeenuts cards "were all this easy to differentiate."