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Old 11-26-2020, 02:28 PM
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A 576 nicholson that has a partial left border on ebay now. Diamond cut. The bottom has a border of a regular card and the bottom looks like the bar of a dark colored team banner. The team banner is smaller than the regular border so I'm going to look at that prospect for placement clues.
It looks to me like the pea green that the Orioles and Astros have. Someone here needs to win it to show a higher quality scan.
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It looks to me like the pea green that the Orioles and Astros have. Someone here needs to win it to show a higher quality scan.
I'm looking to bid. Thx for the detail scan. Astros or Orioles. Of the unknowns, what is left? Also, stated earlier, 576 is above a mgr or rookie card I believe.
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Old 11-29-2020, 07:38 AM
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Default 1966 #576 Nicholson

Spots available are to the right of 561, 586, 569, 543 plus the cards whose positions we don't know are 517, 541, 590, 566, 532, 552, 570, 528, 556, and 538.

If that color is Orioles green, then Nicholson would be next to 566 (Cuellar). I don't believe there are any other possibilities. So, if that color is Orioles green, that would force 576 to be in the row headed by Perranowski and then the 532/552 combo in the row headed by Cardinals RC.

It could not be 586 Raymond, because the card under 576 has to be either a manager or rookie card based on another miscut of 576, and if 576 was next to 586, the card under 576 would be 569.
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It might also be possible for Nicholson to be next to 566 (Cuellar) and both cards could be in the Shirley/Jackson row (Columns 10/11). Then the 532/552 combo would be in the Perranowski row.
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Can someone explain the cutting process used by Topps for 1966? Were the sheets cut into horizontal or vertical strips first or were both cuts done simultaneously?

Trying to determine if it's possible to piece together cards that are severely diamond cut.
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Here's the miscut of 576 which suggests that a manager or RC is below it.
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and a miscut of 556 which suggests it might be above a regular card

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Could the Queen have a card below in on one slit but not the other?
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Old 11-30-2020, 08:15 AM
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Yes. If the Queen card is in row headed by the Shirley/Jackson card, then it would have the same card below it twice and be at the bottom of the sheet, once.
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Yes. If the Queen card is in row headed by the Shirley/Jackson card, then it would have the same card below it twice and be at the bottom of the sheet, once.
I thought so, could apply to Nicholson too. To find the 3 missing cards in the Jackson row will really slim things down.
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Did you win the nicholson bid?
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yes. will have it in about a week or so.
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Can't wait to find out what you see. My guess is that it will be cuellar next to him
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I'm guessing yes. Also, since we have some black border info on some miscut cards, is their any black border pattern that we can use to either eliminate or identify the next door cards? the checklist is one that
we have the left border and maybe based on the black line pattern determine the neighbor?
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I'm looking to bid. Thx for the detail scan. Astros or Orioles. Of the unknowns, what is left? Also, stated earlier, 576 is above a mgr or rookie card I believe.
I won this card, just received it. The card to the left of Nicholson #576 has a YELLOW bar. no question about it.

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and now looking at post #356, which shows a MC back of #576, my belief is that #576 is above #549 and #570 is above Rodgers. I compared the black shape outline of the MC back to #552 and #549 and my thought is that is similar to #549's outline. Opinions welcome on that one. Comparing the back of #549 to post #356.
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The only 7th series cards that I do not know their positions are: 517, 528, 532, 538, 541, 552, 556, 566, 570, 576, and 590. So, that would suggest that 570 (or 590) is left of 576. This may mean that 570 is in Column 9 and 576 in Column 10
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It's clearly yellow as opposed to white sox tan on the left border. So I think 570 is a strong candidate.
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Default 1966 highs

So the combo 570/576 is probably above 532/552. Unfortunately, there are still a couple possibilities for their location. 570/576 could be in perranowski row with 532/552 in hoerner row. Or 570/576 could be in jackson row with 532/552 in perranowski row.
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Does this help....saw it for sale = Miscut





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Default 1966 high # miscuts

Thank you. Dick Egan is above Chi Chi Olivio at one spot on Slit A and two spots on Slit B. Pretty certain that is what we see on this miscut.
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Cliff determined there is a small recurring flaw on the Cox (549) rookie card and that the Nicholson card (576) is the card above it. So 576 is at end of the Hoerner row (in C11). We can also place Mahaffey (570) next to Nicholson and above Rodgers (592) based on a miscut found by Bill P.

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Old 02-10-2021, 09:13 AM
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Cliff pointed out that there is a recurring print mark on the back of Allen (538) that appears on the miscut checklist (517) . So, it definitely appears as if 538 is to the left of 517 (W Sox). Because we have now identified that 570 is in C10 and 576 is in C11 of the Hoerner row, the combo 538/517 must either be at the end of the Perranowski row or at the end of the Jackson/Shirley row.

Only a few cards left to identify. These include 528, 541, 556, 566, & 590. We also still have the sequence 532/552 to place as well.
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If anyone wants to point out specifically what 'new' cards need to appear (and where) in my layout, I will happily get a new version uploaded.
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You guys are getting close!!!
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,570 is in c10 of the hoerner row and 576 nicholson is in c11 of that same row
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If anyone wants to point out specifically what 'new' cards need to appear (and where) in my layout, I will happily get a new version uploaded.
#570 Art Mahaffey is above Andre Rodgers and #576 Dave Nicholson is above the #549 Washington Senators Casey Cox Rookie card. Bob Allen is to the left of #517 Checklist and Aurelio Monteagudo is to the left of Birdie Tebbetts but it’s not known yet where they are on the sheet.
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Ha! One minute late as usual .
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Great work guys. Very close.
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We know that 538/517 is at the end of one row and that the combo 532/552 is also present. Haven't found a good miscut yet for 590, 528, 551, 556, or 566 to identify where those are.
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ok, back on this..... Bidding on a very o/c top to bottom 548 Kroll on ebay. You can see a partial white of the card underneath and a good portion of the back. check it out..... ends 6 days 19 hrs from now. Might be skowron.
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ok, back on this..... Bidding on a very o/c top to bottom 548 Kroll on ebay. You can see a partial white of the card underneath and a good portion of the back. check it out..... ends 6 days 19 hrs from now. I'm going with 541 pliver. From the boarder in the top right corner to the uneven black border of the info box on the back. Can't be 556 or 567.
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I also think that Allen is above Mahaffey and the checklist is above Nicholson.
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I believe the cards that still placement are (besides 538/517 combo) are 541, 532/552 combo, 566, 528, 556, 590.

517 is definitely at edge so it is either at end of Perranowski row or Jackson row.

The card below Kroll does not appear to be 566, 528, 532, or 556, or 538 based on the position of the stats lines. But the Skowron card, 590, may also be a fit, because of the two stat lines. So I believe it is either 541 or 590.
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541 Gene Oliver has some very distinctive print flaw anomalies on the back, unfortunately the seller took photos rather than high quality scans and it's difficult to see in detail.
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I'll try to win it to figure it out.
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the seller is on vacation so i cant get a better scan
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I asked him for pics, too, and got the same answer.

There is something else at play here that could/should lead to a definitive answer. If you check the pink/orange (whatever color that is) sliver on the card in question, it clearly stops 'much' higher than the same area on the Kroll card. The two cards do not have the same sized pink/orange area. The card in question has more white on the bottom than the Kroll. If anyone has their set (and a ruler) on hand, see if you can find that 'short stranger.'
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Oh well, that turned out to be a false lead. Both Oliver and Skowron have seemingly identical pink/orange sizes, both a tad bit shorter than Kroll...

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Saw this recently on ebay. The Lindblad RC is above Snyder and the Griffith RC is above the Tovar RC.

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Oh well, that turned out to be a false lead. Both Oliver and Skowron have seemingly identical pink/orange sizes, both a tad bit shorter than Kroll...

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I think the unevenness of the black border is the key.
Agreed. I was trying to find a new way in with the absence of clearer pics.
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yes, should have it this week, will advise when I compare the back to my other cards.
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Received the Kroll card and it's definitely 541 oliver that is below this card. The 2 lines of the stats on the back and the lack of the vertical single line on the skowron card (the other unknown major possible) eliminate 590. it's oliver below Kroll.
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Great thx, have to feel that the checklist is in the bottom right corner and then allen to the left. Still to be proved out though.
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