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Ted, thanks for the enlightenment. I have long thought that rare meant scarcer than scarce.
No Ted, I have never tried to put together a T209-1 set, as I am not a set collector, with one exception, that being the 1925 Holland Creameries set of 18 cards.
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I have always thought rarity referred to the number of cards in existence, while scarcity referred to the availability of the card. A rare card will probably always be scarce, but a scarce card does not necessarily have to be rare.
T209-1 is my favorite set, and was the first prewar set I completed. I think the pop numbers are somewhat inaccurate, as I recall seeing numerous examples of T209s getting cracked and reslabbed by different TPGs. Some of the cards are certainly tougher than others. Hoffman is probably the easiest, and Booles is probably the hardest. I think I've only seen 2 Booles cards come up for sale in the past seven years, and I bought one of them. So as Ted hinted, putting together the set will take some time and patience. But it is doable, especially because it's only 3% of the size of the Monster! ETA: About seven years ago, I took substantial notes on the PSA and SGC pop reports for T209-1. At that time, there were 398 total cards slabbed by both companies. So that number has gone up by about 100 since then. The hardest card was Booles with 17 total examples, and the easiest was Hoffman with 38. Here is my set:
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T206 REFERENCE....T206-like T209 (CONTENTNEA) 1st series.....show us your T209 cards
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Very nice, thanks for displaying your set. I, too, am suspect of the pop report total of these cards. These T209-1 cards...."Don't Come Easy"....and, they don't come "CHEAP". With respect to that latter comment....I suspect due to their high $$$$ value, many of these cards have been resubmitted, hoping for an increase in their $$$$ value. Dan....do you also collect the T209-2 cards ? TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Here is my example from this set, Walsh, shown the day after a bar fight.
Brian (Not part of any TPG population report. My card probably spent a night in jail, whereas many of his brothers are doing 25 to life in their plastic prisons) |
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I'm not trying to start anything Dan but there have been 9 sales of 7 different Booles in the past two years. Here's the 7 different Booles that sold 2-26-21 Booles 2-26-21.jpg 1-17-21 Booles 1-7-21.jpg 5-12-20 Booles 5-12 20.jpg 12-8-19 Booles 12-8-19.jpg 10-5-19 Booles 10-5-19.jpg 8-11-19 Booles 8-11-19.jpg 6-25-19 Booles 6-25-19.jpg |
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Not yet. I've been thinking about it, but I do hope that someone will talk me out of it. As a completionist set collector, I don't need that kind of stress in my life!
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T206 REFERENCE....T206-like T209 (CONTENTNEA) 1st series....show us your T209 cards
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Years ago, I had about 80 of of the T209-2 cards. But like you, I've always been a set collector, and at any given time I am in the process of completing several sets. So, it did not appeal to me to continue collecting T209-2 cards. After considering that it would have been a very, very long journey. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Hey Dan,
As you know I have the complete 1st series. If you are obsessed with completion, T209-2 is not for you. I have focused on just the North Carolina teams for several years now. There are 114 total and I only have 55. I haven't been able to add even 1 new one for many months although I am actively looking. Quite frustrating! Quote:
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Cigarette Cards
I don't have very many but, when I sold my original collection in 1986 I saved the cigarette cards that I had:
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T206 REF. TRIVIA.....Iffy call cost Team the Pennant. Who's the T206 player involved?
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...... Piedmont .......... Sovereign ...... Sweet Caporal____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards___POLAR BEAR .......... Hindu ....... American Beauty TUESDAY NITE TRIVIA Name this T206 player. Here's a hint....in the 9th inning of a crucial game at the end of the season, the player of interest was at bat. He hit the ball very hard to Right Field. The following controversial Umpire's call as to whether it was fair or foul resulted in his team losing the game and the Pennant. And, his name is not Fred Merkle The 1st guy with the correct answer will be rewarded with a T206 card. To quote Ringo Starr: "It Don't Come Easy". I'll be surprised if someone quickly identifies this player. I look forward to your responses. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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It is interesting that 3 of the Booles Pat showed as well as my Walsh all have paper damage in basically the same spot on the bottom right border (yes, my Walsh also has a ton of other damage).
Probably just a coincidence, but thought I would point it out anyway. Brian |
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T206 REFERENCE....T206-like T209 (CONTENTNEA) 1st series.....show us your T209 cards
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It was approx. 10 years ago at the Philly Show when you absolutely "made my day". You offered me this 1910 COUPON Matty, and we a nice deal on it. You are really one of the great guys in this hobby. . TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Ted, thanks for the kind words. I was planning to come to this weekend's Philly Show only if the National was either cancelled or held but with significant Covid-19 restrictions; it currently appears that there will be a normal or near-normal National this year. I may make it to one of the Philly Shows later this year. Every time you have showed your T213-1 Coupon of Matty, I have recalled our trade and realized how delighted you were to obtain this card. And, truth be told, I have felt a bit of trader's remorse, despite being delighted with the T206 Sovereign 350 WaJo portrait I received from you. This is because I'm partial to very scarce/rare cards, and I really liked having the Matty as my T213-1 type card, but of course, one has to give up something good to get something good.
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Amazing Contentneas everyone! I too highly recommend Mike and Tims research on the subject. Mikes website dedicated to the issue is so well done and a true wealth of knowledge. I recently started a Series 1 set and I'm 136 deep on the Series 2 set. I'm partial to the black and white issues but these cards have the most interesting images and backgrounds. I even have a theory Jim Thorpe is seen in the background of a card. Have to get home to verify the player on the card. Good stuff!
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T206 REFERENCE....T206-like T209 (CONTENTNEA) 1st series....show us your T209 cards
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Jason I'd love to see the card with Jim Thorpe's image on it. As you probably know, Thorpe played for Rocky Mount and Fayetteville during the Summers of 1910-11. Supposedly, those two brief experiences in professional Baseball cost Jim his medals and trophies, which he won in the 1912 Olympics in Stockholm. He was forced to return them. Gee, it would have been really neat if they had included a card of Thorpe in this set. Good Luck putting together the color set. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Ok here we go and this is just a theory. As mentioned Jim Thorpe played for Fayetteville in the 1910-1911 season. I believe that some cards depict images from preseason camps as a few players that have cards seem to never have played a game with the designated team. Background players on some cards seem to be waiting their turn to take infield practice. So that brings me to the Lavoia card from the Highlanders team. Notice the very stocky player in the background. He is awaiting his turn as possibly the backup first baseman. Of course I have zero proof of it actually being Jim Thorpe. Its just fun to think it is!
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I bought my first T209-1 in 2017, but didn't buy my second one for another three years. In the past year I've purchased 4 of the 5 I own. At this rate I hope to complete the set in about three years!
I really enjoy collecting the more obscure sets. These guys were playing in C and D leagues, in what I have to imagine, not the best conditions and not for a great deal of money. There is a certain mystique surrounding this time in baseball that originally drew me to T206 cards. While I still collect T206, I get a little more excited each time I add one of these cards to my set. I also own 13 of the T209-2. The B&W add a little more to the grittiness of baseball at that time. I doubt I'll ever complete the set, but I will continue to collect these gems as they come along. T209-1 Bourquise.jpgT209-1 Bourquise B.jpg T209-1 Bourquise c.jpgT209-1 Bourquise B C.jpg T209-1 Crockett.jpgT209-1 Crockett B.jpg T209-1 Hoffman.jpgT209-1 Hoffman B.jpg T209-1 McGeehan.jpgT209-1 McGeehan B.jpg
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