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Old 02-23-2022, 06:25 PM
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Default 1909 Colgan’s Proofs back from SGC

A few months ago, I posted about 4 1909 Colgan’s Chips square proof cards that I came across in a personal collection of someone not connected to the hobby.

These cards are fairly rare I feel as the major grading companies have all graded so few of these. I finally sent them off to SGC (along with an 1896 Spalding H-818) and they just came back today.

All in all, I’m happy with the grades. SGC said the Wagner showed evidence of trimming. It is slightly off center, but since no one really knows anything about them with any certainty, I’m not so sure that I agree with their conclusion.

Anyway, presented here for your enjoyment…
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Old 02-23-2022, 06:34 PM
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I am a total newbie to the Colgan Chip cards (and tins). I think are so cool and unique

And these proofs? Amazing! Congrats - really beautiful. Enjoy!
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Old 02-23-2022, 07:15 PM
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Old 02-23-2022, 07:47 PM
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I am a total newbie to the Colgan Chip cards (and tins). I think are so cool and unique

And these proofs? Amazing! Congrats - really beautiful. Enjoy!
Thank you. They call them proofs, but no one really knows much of anything about them. My theory is that they were some type of retailer premium, maybe to put on a poster or something in the store to sell the chips. Others have different opinions.
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Old 02-23-2022, 07:48 PM
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Thanks! They are really something.
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They look great w/ tough grades
I've had a few over the years & they would have graded higher back in the day.
Here's a beat-up 1.5 that I had

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Old 02-23-2022, 08:32 PM
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They look great w/ tough grades
I've had a few over the years & they would have graded higher back in the day.
Here's a beat-up 1.5 that I had

Nice one! Haven't seen that one before. I've been looking at various graded examples across all of the TPG's. I don't see an actual checklist for these, but it could be fun to compile the "set".
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Absolutely beautiful. LOVE these! Thanks for sharing!

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A few months ago, I posted about 4 1909 Colgan’s Chips square proof cards that I came across in a personal collection of someone not connected to the hobby.

These cards are fairly rare I feel as the major grading companies have all graded so few of these. I finally sent them off to SGC (along with an 1896 Spalding H-818) and they just came back today.

All in all, I’m happy with the grades. SGC said the Wagner showed evidence of trimming. It is slightly off center, but since no one really knows anything about them with any certainty, I’m not so sure that I agree with their conclusion.

Anyway, presented here for your enjoyment…
Those are great looking cards. They aren't proofs though.
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Those are great looking cards. They aren't proofs though.
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I agree, but that's what everyone seems to call them.
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I agree, but that's what everyone seems to call them.
Everyone is wrong LOL....and that is rarely the case, actually.
They just don't have many characteristics of proofs. Sort of reminds me of the red and gold derby cigar cards that aren't.
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Everyone is wrong LOL....and that is rarely the case, actually.
They just don't have many characteristics of proofs. Sort of reminds me of the red and gold derby cigar cards that aren't.
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I believe they're clearly related to Colgan's, but I feel they were probably meant to go in a book, on a poster, etc. Perhaps something just for the retailer since there's nothing written on the back.
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It appears if grading company doesn't know much about certain cards and submitter keeps on pushing, then they would just grade them as "proof"?
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SGC said the Wagner showed evidence of trimming. It is slightly off center, but since no one really knows anything about them with any certainty, I’m not so sure that I agree with their conclusion.
I disagree, as well. SGC says a lot of cards are 'trimmed' these days, including in my experience lately. I've resubmitted to PSA for number grades with success.

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I disagree, as well. SGC says a lot of cards are 'trimmed' these days, including in my experience lately. I've resubmitted to PSA for number grades with success.
Well, I'm kind of torn on this one now that I see the actual card again since its return.

There is a definite off-center issue, as well as a noticeable nick on the side.

I guess my concern with this one is more along the lines of, since no one has any solid info on them, do we know if they were hand-cut...or even how they were cut at all? If something was cut oddly by the manufacturer, isn't that different than "trimmed" by a recipient?
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I think it's a different, complete set related to the Colgan's chips also. As for it being from an early candy set. It could have been.
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Nice card….

I love when I acquire the only one known, and then another pops up!

Nice proofs, or whatever they are

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That's impressive! Although mine is an A, that gives me an idea of a value range.
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Great group! Thanks for sharing - Congrats

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