1914 Texas newspaper ad with coupon cigarettes

[Pat R]

There is very little information found in old newspapers about the Coupon cigarettes I found this cigarette sales ad in an Austin Texas newspaper that has Coupon cigarettes in it.

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Here are few images I found of two different Coupon packs

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and a 200 count carton with 10 packs of 20 (I'm not sure where the claim that they were packed loose in these cartons came from).

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[mrreality68]

cool stuff

and always fun seeing the prices of things from that time period

[Bridwell]

Thanks for sharing! I have one of the 20 count packs in my collection and one of the cartons. My carton is empty though!

[Leon]

+1. Thanks for sharing!

I wish I would have never sold my pack collection.,

[Jobu]

Nice find Pat.

Here is my Coupon 20 for 5 cents pack.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Nice find Pat.

Here is my Coupon 20 for 5 cents pack.

Nice Coupon pack Bryan! Can you tell what overprint the date on the tax stamp is June 191?

[canjond]

Here’s a Coupon I have as well.

[RCMcKenzie]

Here's one I have. On Bryan's you can see a tag stating Factory 3.

(I see Factory 3 on the one Pat posted also now)-edit

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by Pat R

There is very little information found in old newspapers about the Coupon cigarettes I found this cigarette sales ad in an Austin Texas newspaper that has Coupon cigarettes in it.

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Here are few images I found of two different Coupon packs

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and a 200 count carton with 10 packs of 20 (I'm not sure where the claim that they were packed loose in these cartons came from).

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Note that the Indian artwork on my pack matches the artwork on the packs in the carton. The art work on the LA 3 packs is slightly different from the Fact 42 pack.

[DixieBaseball]

Great pics on this thread and good info find! Here is some of my Coupons...

[BobC]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Here's one I have. On Bryan's you can see a tag stating Factory 3.

(I see Factory 3 on the one Pat posted also now)-edit

Great item, and especially love the Fusco Auction sticker you still have on it. Did you get that at one of Paul's live, in-person auctions, or from bidding online? God, I miss those in-person live auctions of his.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by BobC

Great item, and especially love the Fusco Auction sticker you still have on it. Did you get that at one of Paul's live, in-person auctions, or from bidding online? God, I miss those in-person live auctions of his.

Bob, I think it was from liveauctioneers. I've had it for 8 -10 years. I just looked and it appears that Fusco has not had an auction on that platform since 2018. I may have also bought it from someone who left the sticker on like I did.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Bob, I think it was from liveauctioneers. I've had it for 8 -10 years. I just looked and it appears that Fusco has not had an auction on that platform since 2018. I may have also bought it from someone who left the sticker on like I did.

Well, that is the thing, he passed away a few years ago, but was still running live, in-person auctions up until just a couple month before he passed. Had been going to his live auctions for a couple decades, including being at his last one. He always seemed to have at least a few great, unique items in every auction. The later years he started running the auctions live online as well. He said at one point we were bidding live against literally people from around the world, as he was at that time on five different auction sites/apps simultaneously while we were at his store/location bidding live. His wife Debbie was always sitting next to him as he ran things from the podium, and she manned the computer and handled all the online activity, calling out the online bids going against us who were there in-person in the gallery. It was something to watch him work. His sports card/memorabilia auctions would normally have 500-600+ lots, which he would go through one by one. He'd typically average going through around 80-90 lots per hour, so his auctions would last a while, but were well worth the time. He would always end them with some crazy bulk and balance of one man's collection type lots that were not part of the online auctions and available to the online bidders. The shipping costs and hassles of packaging these lots made selling them to others online not worth it for him. And typically, because his auctions would last several hours, oftentimes a lot of the people attending in-person would have already left, so a lot less competition for those last bulk lots. And the best part of all was not only did you get the chance to view and go through and examine everything before the auction started, which the online bidders couldn't, when it was all done you got the chance to pay and take your items home with you, and no crazy S&H or insurance fees/costs being tacked on. I'd take something like that any day over Ebay. LOL

And Paul also ran the Strongsville Sports Collectors Show as well for a period, right up until his passing. I noticed the Strongsville Show, which is usually held in April every year, is now a forum sponsor. Great vintage only oriented show. Highly recommend it for anyone that can get there. And no, I am not in any way involved with the show or its sponsors. And also sorry for getting OT on this thread. Some great items being shown in this thread.

[Jobu]

Jerome - I've always loved that RPPC!

I have always thought that the cartons in that RPPC are the best candidate for where the T213-1s were assuming the carton theory is correct. I think the cartons and packs posted here (apart from mine and Jon's) are later - 1920s - 1930s.

I think I came across a larger Coupon pack at one time as well, similar to the Red Cross packs that are out there, that had the 1910s look and feel, but I don't think I have a picture.

[Pat R]

Bryan, the carton that I posted is 1930's I'm not sure what years the packs are from.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Jerome - I've always loved that RPPC!

I have always thought that the cartons in that RPPC are the best candidate for where the T213-1s were assuming the carton theory is correct. I think the cartons and packs posted here (apart from mine and Jon's) are later - 1920s - 1930s.

I think I came across a larger Coupon pack at one time as well, similar to the Red Cross packs that are out there, that had the 1910s look and feel, but I don't think I have a picture.

The 20 for 5 cent pack I posted has to be a lot earlier than 1920 the type 3 coupons are 16 for 10 cents.

[RCMcKenzie]

The newspaper find shows us that Coupon "20 for 5 cent" packs were sold in Austin, which is further west than I thought the cards are usually found.

I'm not a cigarette pack guy. Are the "20 for 5 cents" packs posted here wide enough to have had a T213-2 card in them? From the pics, they look tall and narrow, and tightly packed.

[Jobu]

Right you are Pat, these should be pre-1919 and T213-3. What I didn't know was whether the side of of Jon's pack had the 20 for 5 on it, but looking at the one you posted more closely I see that they are the same pack, so Jon's does have that on the side.

Mine still has the cigarettes but no card - which might explain the state of the wrapper.

I will measure it -- and also loupe it for the last number in the year. I recall not being able to see anything apart from the 191 part and the bit of printing further to the right.

The larger pack that I saw seemed like it had potential to have held type 1s in it - I wish I had taken a picture. I might be misremembering this too. I will see if I can track it down.

Total speculation, but if T213-1 was a New Orleans-only issue and T213-2 was Louisiana and Texas it might explain the greater number of T213-2s out there.

[canjond]

Here’s also a mid-teens slide and shell from my collection. It’s actually the only slide and shell I’ve seen, but my guess is there are more out there.

[RCMcKenzie]

Nice packs, Jon. Are there any markings about price on the packs you posted? What do you make of the Indian logos having 2 types? Here are side by sides of your packs logos.

[canjond]

The soft is a 20 count, with the 20 for 5 cents labeling on the sides. The slide and shell is a 10 count, and is the same size as other traditional 10 count slide and shells.

In terms of the images, I'd have to look closely. I wonder if some of the differences are just the angles the photos are at. I didn't dig them out to re-photograph them, so both those snaps are quite old. I can dig them out this evening though.

[RCMcKenzie]

Thanks for the update.

On the images, the packs that Pat, Bryan, and Jon posted that say "20 for 5 cents" on the side, have a dot matrix Indian character logo.

The pack that I posted with the factory 42 label, has an Indian logo that is slightly different from the Factory 3 packs. My packs' logo does not have dot matrix. It looks more like a realistic image and less like a drawing. Look at the headdresses, the feathers are different.

The second pack, the 10 count slide pack, has the same image as my Factory 42 pack, which makes me think it was made at a later time.

I'm hoping to find out what pack a T213-2 (20 for 5 cents) back coupon card came in.

[canjond]

Here’s better photos of my 2.

Rob - my slide and shell is sometime post-1910 and pre-1918. No cancel on the stamp.

[RCMcKenzie]

Thanks for the pics and info, Jon. I guess I need better glasses. I don't know why I was seeing 2 different logos. In your last post, they do look the same now.

[canjond]

Rob,

I think it was just the angle of the photos. While the slide and shell is a crisper photo, up close they appear to be identical designs.

- Jon

[Pat R]

I've unsuccessfully been trying to find ads in old newspapers with pictures of coupon packs to possibly date some of the packs that have been posted. There are differences in all of the packs posted in this thread particularly in this area of the headdress.

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