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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: Art M.
And you thought only cards could be "altered"....... |
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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: zach
I dont consider that "altered". You're getting rid of autos you don't wont, not restoring the one you want left. Nothing is wrong with this, the only thing that would be wrong was if the guy touched up the signature you wanted to be kept. |
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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: scgaynor
It is a big deal to autograph collectors. Removing unwanted names and personalizations can add huge value to a ball. |
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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: davidcycleback
I like personalizations, even if they aren't "Dear David." Though I'd prefer a good handwritten letter over a signed ball any day. |
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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: DJ
This is a huge deal and horrible for the hobby. The reason why single signed baseballs are so valuable is because they are in fact a rarity. Nobody thought in the old days to get a baseball signed only by one person. A ball signed by Christy Mathewson alone is worth 3-4 times the amount if it had several others on it. The price difference between a single signed and a ball with multiple signatures is in fact rather big. |
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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: Paul
I've always thought it was stupid that a ball signed by Ruth alone would sell for more than one signed by Ruth and Gehrig. Only in a truly insane world could you make money by erasing Gehrig's signature, or Ruth's. |
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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: davidcycleback
That's kind of my point. If a collector wants a Lou Gehrig signature removed from a baseball, there's something wrong with the collector not baseball. |
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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: Marc S.
I've even heard of stories of auction houses literally unstitching baseballs where an autograph was on the other panel and re-stitching it with a contemporaneous unsigned panel to "voila" give you a single-signed ball of some major period superstar. |
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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: Scott Forrest
This is weird. I agree that the problem is with the collectors who put more value on balls with names removed. |
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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: DJ
As a person who collects autographs, it's all about the rarity aspect. I don't think a lot of the card guys get it. What makes a Jimmie Foxx single signed baseball so rare is that it wasn't like today where people would go into a store, buy a $12 baseball and get Bob Feller to sign it. Back in those days, a baseball would be filled up by as many players as possible. |
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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: jay behrens
My sentiments exactly. What is the differnece between removing "undesirable" signatures from a ball and rebuilding the corners and removing the creases from a card? Both have been altered to make the item more desirable and valuable in the marketplace. While we are at it, let's remove all but the smile from the Mona Lisa since that is what everyone finds so intriguing about the painting. |
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Attention memorabilia collectors
Posted By: davidcycleback
If it is not identified that the names have been removed from a baseball, it could be argued that this is a form of forgery-- as the essential identity of the ball has been changed to fool others (the hobby considers a team signed ball and a single singed ball two different things and values them differently). If it is identified that names the have been removed, it would be distasteful to many (including myself), but would not be forgery. If the hobby values a natural single signed Jimmy Foxx baseball higher than an artificially created single signed Foxx ball, a ball owner can't get names removed and represent it as a natural single signed ball during resale. |
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